FFXIV has an endgame problem and it needs to be changed

[anguel]

Scheduling 6 hours straight on multiple evenings a week on hypothetical fights you might not even get to see (because someone else claims it) is not my idea of fun.

oh so for you grinding dungeon like a pure "no-brain" is your definition of "fun" ?

probly, someone else could claim the sayd boss, but THAT it what made the game fun, explosion of joy !!, or even infuriating ...
it gave some challenge,
and ppl with best organisation won
(and on the server where i was, we agreed with other LS on schedule not to disturb other ppl, farming time)


and you say lock 6hrs, BUT GOD, DO WE EVEN HAVE SOMETHING WORSE SPENDING 6HRS ON ENDGAME CONTENT ATM ????????
let me answear for you,

NO !!!
(and dont mention the zeta weapon, because those are already USELESS !!!)

[Reaperking386]

oh so for you grinding dungeon like a pure "no-brain" is your definition of "fun" ?

probly, someone else could claim the sayd boss, but THAT it what made the game fun, explosion of joy !!, or even infuriating ...
it gave some challenge,
and ppl with best organisation won
(and on the server where i was, we agreed with other LS on schedule not to disturb other ppl, farming time)


and you say lock 6hrs, BUT GOD, DO WE EVEN HAVE SOMETHING WORSE SPENDING 6HRS ON ENDGAME CONTENT ATM ????????
let me answear for you,

NO !!!
(and dont mention the zeta weapon, because those are already USELESS !!!)

Play 11 then. idk what to tell you. Square is not going to change a formula that is more profitable than 11.

[Cybralisk]

Play 11 then. idk what to tell you. Square is not going to change a formula that is more profitable than 11.

FFXI had an amazing endgame, that kept people playing for years. FFXIV has an endgame set on repeat that people are already complaining about. Farm the same two dungeons over and over, cap tomes for gear. reset in 3 months and do it again for gear with slightly higher of the same boring stats. The raids are useless, no point beating your face on savage alexander when the gear is the same stuff you can get with eso currency with a different look.

[anguel]

Play 11 then. idk what to tell you.

already playing it

[SchalaZeal]

We shouldn't even have a Normal version of the raids though, it ruins things for the players that actually like raiding... Then have some other easier raid with different story for them. Or even better, have the same raid "area", but different bosses etc, so you get additional story from the Savage version.

You want to be the example of the elite lording it over the commoners about story?

People who even can complete Savage don't do it for story, and have some sense not to want to cut others (you know, 99.7% of people) from story. I doubt people will stay so that in 7 months, they can see story with echo and 40-50 ilvs higher, they'll just leave.

[Gardes]

You want to be the example of the elite lording it over the commoners about story?

People who even can complete Savage don't do it for story, and have some sense not to want to cut others (you know, 99.7% of people) from story. I doubt people will stay so that in 7 months, they can see story with echo and 40-50 ilvs higher, they'll just leave.

People also like to tout the fact that the mid to hardcore population is in the minority and would love it when they get marginalized. Yet when alex became 2 modes with the 1st mode being super accessible and easy with story mode in mind, only about half even bothered to see it, as opposed to 'content for minority' with proportionate number of clears for coil. Blabber about the economy of content production all you want, as far as I'm concerned, alexander normal failed its purpose.

[anguel]

in my opinion most people dont understand why, we (old FF1 player) are sad,
today, go get a raid (dark world, ravanna or whatever)
2 option
1) solo (PF or DF) and get ready to have HUGE head pain !!
2) with friend (bit more enjoyable) but still, you gonna raid in a "no-brain" style, you get in the dungeon, see the boss, engage, fight kill, over ...

in FF11, i do remember, when i was farming sky with my SKY LS, it was all an organisation !!
most of the time, we had to split between different team,

1 look for the NM, to get the "gem of the (west, east, north, south)
2 go kill the 4 boss (suzaku, byakko, seiryu, genbu)
3 once the boss are dead lets' go for kirin !!

it seems easy but its not, it was hours of preparation, BUT IT WAS NOT STUPID GRINDING LIKE IT IS NOW (ex : everyday roulette for eso ...)

it took many hours, and each time i did it with them, it was enjoyable !!!
i remember spending soooo nice time with my friend !!

today those things doesnt exist in FF14

i must say those "feeling" of friendship, and comunity

today its "your too noob, you slow me down = kick"

[SchalaZeal]

Yet when alex became 2 modes with the 1st mode being super accessible and easy with story mode in mind, only about half even bothered to see it, as opposed to 'content for minority' with proportionate number of clears for coil. Blabber about the economy of content production all you want, as far as I'm concerned, alexander normal failed its purpose.

Half is more than THEY expected, so it didn't fail to me. People who didn't go are either too new to have the ilv, or never gonna do 8-man stuff they don't have to (they'll do HM to unlock lv 60, but not EX).

I'd love it if they simply remade the expert roulette into a "Every dungeon roulette" instead. You're getting higher rewards from the tokens than you get from the dungeon anyways, and I would like to point out that some of the lowlvl dungeons are actually harder to do while synched than Neverreap and Fractal. Would make the roulette feel alot less like a chore, and would also help out lowlvl players ques quite a bit.

You get 40 from the dungeon itself, 35 from roulette. If you did roulette and you didn't get Neverreap or Fractal, you'd need to run it 12x a week to cap. Essentially, you'd have to run roulette AND Fractal, or Fractal x2, per day, 6 days. If you don't do savage or alex NM.

[LunaSnowfield]

I'm so sick of roulette expert , but so fucking sick of doing the same shit over and over 239483290840923749237923784079328 times for cap 450 tomes, because i can't get tomes without doing expert (80-90 tomes)