I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Droxybrobotnik]

What?
Experts are by far the easiest dungeons to farm and the ones with the lowest healing requirements to the point every day more and more people farm them in a group of 1 tank and 3 dps doing wall to walls and outside dungeons content hits so little healers spam their 2 dps buttons even more

Okay well, I at least have to use regen and afflatus before and after the holy spam, and depending on the tank being optimized or not, sometimes even spam cure 2, and I also make use of blood lily. It really isn't pressing 3 buttons constantly. That is with always going wall to wall pulls.

[WaxSw]

Okay well, I at least have to use regen and afflatus before and after the holy spam, and depending on the tank being optimized or not, sometimes even spam cure 2, and I also make use of blood lily. It really isn't pressing 3 buttons constantly. That is with always going wall to wall pulls.

Then I hate to say it but something is really wrong either with your tank or your whm, Regen before its fine, after is unnecessary, cure 2 is very unnecessary in experts, Whm has benediction, tetragramaton, Divine veil, Asylum... Like either the tank is not using any cd or I can't explain it because for example in the new dungeon as Sage all the heals I did in the first 2 pulls were 2 Kerachole and 1 Physis 2, that's all and we weren't even close to dying.

Its especially worrisome because the "tank don't need a healer" is literal, most tanks can literally solo heal the experts and Warriors can solo heal far more than that

[Saraide]

This thread is cancer. It's a very simple concept, the game assigns you Roles, you choose the Role you want, you stick to that Role. Outside of the obvious mechanics of the game itself, Dungeon runs and Raids are all about teamwork, communication, and co-operation, if you're making the Tank rage and he would rather let you pull and die, that says a lot about you as a person. Especially if the Tank has already set the speed and is not comfortable increasing it. We come in all states of preference and experience, the Tank is the party leader, if you don't like it.. well then go and play Tank instead.

Leadership comes through competence, not title. If the tank is bad at the game they have no place leading anything. The tank's role is to be the meatshield first and then dealing damage second. You dont need to pull to be the meatshield, you just need to take up aggro afterwards and it really is extremely simple. So simple infact that you have to go out of your way to not take aggro. And if you really wanna pull everything yourself as tank (like I do) then there is this neat little button called sprint.

There is no problem if someone else pulls and drags the mobs into the tank's aoes, if anything it's a minor help for the tank by grouping up mobs faster and taking off an auto attack or two. The only problem arises if the tank starts throwing a temper tantrum.

[HollowedDoll]

Leadership comes through competence, not title. If the tank is bad at the game they have no place leading anything. The tank's role is to be the meatshield first and then dealing damage second. You dont need to pull to be the meatshield, you just need to take up aggro afterwards and it really is extremely simple. So simple infact that you have to go out of your way to not take aggro. And if you really wanna pull everything yourself as tank (like I do) then there is this neat little button called sprint.

There is no problem if someone else pulls and drags the mobs into the tank's aoes, if anything it's a minor help for the tank by grouping up mobs faster and taking off an auto attack or two. The only problem arises if the tank starts throwing a temper tantrum.

I dunno if that's the only problem when some DRG pulls everything then panics and runs AWAY from the tank.

[Crasherino]

Good, then stop tanking. If you're doing 1 pack at a time then you're a bad tank plain and simple, there's literally no reason to do 1 pack at a time and I have one very simple reason why, that being the healer will literally have nothing to heal and they will be bored senseless, there's nothing more brain dead than playing a healer with a tank that does 1 group at a time and the healer is sat there spamming 1 for 30 minutes straight.

[HollowedDoll]

Good, then stop tanking. If you're doing 1 pack at a time then you're a bad tank plain and simple, there's literally no reason to do 1 pack at a time

Nobody mentioned doing 1 pack at a time.

there's nothing more brain dead than playing a healer

I agree.

healer is sat there spamming 1 for 30 minutes straight.

You know you can pull, right?

[Saraide]

I dunno if that's the only problem when some DRG pulls everything then panics and runs AWAY from the tank.

People who get aggro and run away from the tank are just straight up dumb.

[Naoki34]

07/11/2015 16h47

[Asari5]

I mean with 3 dps there is a lot more dmg. the enemies are just melting down. and these are premade groups... those groups take dps often more important than randoms.
i know we dont talk about dps in ff14 but it actually is quite an important part in groupplay.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Good, then stop tanking. If you're doing 1 pack at a time then you're a bad tank plain and simple, there's literally no reason to do 1 pack at a time and I have one very simple reason why, that being the healer will literally have nothing to heal and they will be bored senseless, there's nothing more brain dead than playing a healer with a tank that does 1 group at a time and the healer is sat there spamming 1 for 30 minutes straight.

1 pack at a time means you're bad? That just told me you don't know what you're talking about. Inefficient? Sure. But so long as they are holding aggro and mitigating it doesnt matter if it's 1 mob or 100. They're doing their job as it was designed.

And for some proof first Novice Tank training is about dodging aoes/avoiding unnecessary damage. The rest are about getting and keeping aggro in different situations.
Trainer even says "yer job is to soak up the pain, an keep yer mates safe."
Hell it even tells you you don't need to pull it all at once.
"Rather than blunder into a mob o'nasties, yer better off pullin' a few at a time from a safe distance! (Shortly later also saying) "Ye don't want to fight 'em all at once!"(once thats done)"That's it! Divide and conquer, lass!" "Ye see how easy it was to split up that big, nasty mob? The situation don't always allow it, but often there's a better strategy than "charge!""
Now one bit I will also say is ypyt is a bit of a grey area. "Sometimes there're latecomers to a battle, so ye've got to stay alert. If you notice a new foe arrive, don't give in to panic! Keep calm, an' pick the enemy up with her usual tools!". That ofc is more reference to fights where mobs are programmed to come later after a certain mob dies or when new mobs spawn. Not people going ahead and pulling them. And before anyone says I'm being bias there, the example given is, "The axeman will call for aid at certain points in the battle! Prioritize takin down the reinforcements!"
Even the final trials example is exactly the same. No matter how you slice it, w2w is strictly a player made expectation and shouldnt be forced on all players. The game itself encourages breaking mobs up. And so long as you keep the enemy off your team you're doing your job no matter how many mobs are active. That's the fact of the matter