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    Razem Shneider
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    The OP just complained about people who just pull before him, not about speedrun. I did give my opinions on other pages still, now this thread has taken another turn : about relationship between member of a team in a Duty Finder. The more I see, the more divas I can see too : Tanks who want to just rule the group because they are tank ; DPS who thinks that everyone whould follow their lead since the time they give to the group is precious and deserve all attention than anyone else. Between you and me, I HATE DPS of that kind and have no remorse to see them die on a sucky pull from them. Still, I dont like tanks acting as dictator in a group. As for me, I'm fully aware that DPS have to wait longer than me and I take that into consideration when I come. Even if I meet DPS who wants to speed up without taking consideration if all can take on a speed run, I will stay anyway even after wipe. Because, I still have some remorse to let them down knowing they waited too long.
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    Ayleen Estheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by Razem5791 View Post
    The OP just complained about people who just pull before him, not about speedrun.
    The OP actually just complained because he wants to be the one who pulls and be upset about it if he doesn't, as he said he doesn't have a problem with tanking bigger mob stacks. He HAS to pull. As other people in this thread called, a diva tank. If your healer pulls some extra mobs while you're already tanking, it means the healer is confident enough to keep you alive and as lv60 tank you should already know you literally only need one, ONE, aoe skill to grab them as the healer brings them to you. You don't even have to chase mobs around. If you refuse to tank that because you weren't the one pulling, people in this thread are right. When I was tanking on my other character, I liked when the healer brought me mobs while I was tanking a pack so I didn't have to move and make the dps chase the mobs after me so they could keep dpsing.
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    Last edited by Kit-Kat; 11-14-2015 at 02:31 AM.

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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit-Kat View Post
    When I was tanking on my other character, I liked when the healer brought me mobs while I was tanking a pack so I didn't have to move and make the dps chase the mobs after me so they could keep dpsing.
    Not everyone approves of unannounced pulls of more groups - Tanks like to keep it managable and in control when fighting, so when you blindside them by getting more enemies without agreement of both sides, you throw them out of their concept and their comfort zone.
    And THAT is the problem.
    ASK first before you piss them off. Seven hells, make a macro out of it you can press when entering the dungeon when you feel so socially lazy to talk to them in the first place.
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    Last edited by Arrius; 11-14-2015 at 02:40 AM.

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    Delferia Seule
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit-Kat View Post
    The OP actually just complained because he wants to be the one who pulls and be upset about it if he doesn't, as he said he doesn't have a problem with tanking bigger mob stacks. He HAS to pull. As other people in this thread called, a diva tank. If your healer pulls some extra mobs while you're already tanking, it means the healer is confident enough to keep you alive and as lv60 tank you should already know you literally only need one, ONE, aoe skill to grab them as the healer brings them to you. You don't even have to chase mobs around. If you refuse to tank that because you weren't the one pulling, people in this thread are right. When I was tanking on my other character, I liked when the healer brought me mobs while I was tanking a pack so I didn't have to move and make the dps chase the mobs after me so they could keep dpsing.
    This can be solved very easily with communication. Simply ask the tank to pull more. It gives them a chance to respond, such as if they are trying to weave in new skills in their rotation, they are learning a dungeon still, even if they have completed it before, or, that they are afraid of wiping, and your asking them gives them permission to take a risk they might not otherwise take in the DF. If the tank refuses large pulls even when the group is definitively capable, they probably aren't a great tank, they may be a "diva" tank, but pulling 12+ mobs onto their head is not going to make this kind of tank a better player. You're only playing against your own party at that point. Seek other solutions that benefit more from teamwork, or stop being a part of that team.
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    I bring you a gem from another thread


    Quote Originally Posted by Bobkitty View Post
    I'm starting to think using Duty Finder is like turning on the TV to a soap opera.

    Brought you by The Vault, starring Red and Magenta as Summoner and Monk, Blue as Tank.

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    Naoki Yoshida:
    ...Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.
    Source: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/113554 at 1:14:22

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicno View Post
    I bring you a gem from another thread
    That's something special there. On one hand, there's no reason to be idling about for 15 seconds between trash packs. On the other, the tank was without TP going into a boss fight, and the SMN's only response is a self important macro filled with sound effects, despite the fact that they pulled and wiped the group, showing they have no consideration for "synergy and fast clears," when it comes at the cost of their precious DPS. I would have kicked him to the high heavens long before that escalated.
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobkitty View Post
    I'm starting to think using Duty Finder is like turning on the TV to a soap opera.

    Brought you by The Vault, starring Red and Magenta as Summoner and Monk, Blue as Tank.

    AHAHAHAHA that tank just turned into a diva.

    so hilarious. I want to do a summoner high five with that red guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    AHAHAHAHA that tank just turned into a diva.

    so hilarious. I want to do a summoner high five with that red guy.
    Ahhh, I don't think anyone won in that conversation. The DPS should have just switched it up to make things work with the party, and the tank definitely should not have pulled the "I'm going to just sit here" card. The conversation got stupid real fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    AHAHAHAHA that tank just turned into a diva.

    so hilarious. I want to do a summoner high five with that red guy.
    I'm sure the summoner was so proud for pulling the boss and wiping the group when the tank had no TP. I know you post just to poke the embers, but really. It was a foolish pull followed by an unnecessary amount of bickering that should have been solved about four lines of chat after the summoner's macro with a vote dismiss on either member, since they were both stalling the run. The only one deserving of praise is the monk, who actually made an attempt to dial things back and probably just wanted to complete the run.
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    Fyce Alvey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    AHAHAHAHA that tank just turned into a diva.

    so hilarious. I want to do a summoner high five with that red guy.
    You won't get your fast runs if you praise terrible DPS.
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