I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Azazua_azura]

@ shia

I have done that, and still got hate for it. You're coming off like diva yourself. A tanks job is to keep enmity, dps job is to kill, healers job is to heal. Pace isn't party of the job as it varoies from player to player. Calling someone out by pulling for them goes against teamwork, simply ask.

We are adault here we should use our big boy/girl words instead of acting like brats and throwing tantrums by steping on everyone elses toes.

[Noxifer]

I hope there was some basic communication between the party and the archer before you just let him die. :3

There was -- he was repeatedly asked to let the tank do the pulling. Initially politely, then more and more directly each time he did it. We just got fed up with him not listening.

So many dungeons (Expert Roulette) that the tank has just wandered AFK for ten minutes - cause hey he didn't wait 15-45 minutes to join the queue, so it's not like he couldn't have gotten a drink or taken a crap beforehand with all that extra time - and I just tell the DPS to pull. I can clear everything up to the boss of ANY dungeon without a tank. Hell, when queue as a full party, we often don't even bring a tank, and I'm not talking about Copperbell, but Neverreap (sure this doesn't work for all of them).

There's a difference between pulling for someone who is clearly not there (and dealing with those mobs while waiting for that someone to come back and start doing their job again), and pulling for someone who IS there and is doing their job -- just not at the pace you prefer. Like I've mentioned before, I tend to go with the "you pull it; you tank it" mindset, at least if said pulling is intentional. I mean, mistakes happen, and sometimes a dps accidentally moves into a wandering mob's field of vision. And in those cases I have no issues taking aggro off of them. But when healers or dps intentionally pull in more mobs into a pack than I had anticipated, I just don't like it. And sure, if you pull a mob or two and actually tank them yourself, that's fine, but it still adds to my stress levels as a tank ^^;

Back when I was a young and insecure tank (shortly after the beta, in other words), it happened too many times in the first four dungeons. Still remember the time in Halatali when the healer pulled in all three of the wandering bombs when I'd pulled the dullahan-wannabe and the three imps back. Being "a good tank" (no, not in the skill sense, but in the "gotta save the squishies!" sense), I flashed and all that, and was subsequently blown up when overlapping self-destructs meant I had no chance of getting out of all of them in time. Then the healer proceeded to blame me for dying, commenting that it's an "easy pull". No, it's not. Not when you panic because too many mobs are pulled into the fight. Not when none of the dps actually have any AoE capabilities. And not when you're still learning the game.
If I'd known then what I do now, I would have let the healer deal with the bombs all on their own and just continued focusing on the mobs I'd pulled, but meh.

Sure, dps and healers have more AoE capabilities at 50+ (duh), and healers have more ohshit buttons. But the core behaviour of deciding for me what I'm comfortable pulling is still just as rude. Especially when it's done at the very first pull (like that first island in Neverreap). Due to bad experiences in the gearing-up rush just before Alex Normal was released, I never went into Ex roulette solo. Unless I had at least a healer I knew (preferrably one or two dps in addition to that), I just didn't do it. *shrugs*

[Skivvy]

There was -- he was repeatedly asked to let the tank do the pulling. Initially politely, then more and more directly each time he did it. We just got fed up with him not listening.

Good call then

[Sicno]

And what about the selfish diva dps who think their stacks or enochian are the most important thing in the entire dungeon and if you don't make them happy they start pulling on their own?

[XiXiQ]

And what about the selfish diva dps who think their stacks or enochian are the most important thing in the entire dungeon and if you don't make them happy they start pulling on their own?

the new level 60 stuff has made this an issue in some cases. I've not noticed it much with bard, but with blm and mch tanking does matter more. blm doesn't have the luxury of using enochian every trash pull, and small pulls of only 2-3 is a waste of their dps. Mch needs to place turrets depending on the pull, and I see plenty of tanks pulling mobs out of their aoe range anyway. I'm not much of a fan of any of the level 60 stuff, so I don't blame the tanks, it's just more crap they shouldn't be dealing with.

[MicahZerrshia]

You obviously don't play anything who have stacks to worry about.

So so so many tanks stand there, full tp, full mp, full hp and twiddle their thumbs til your stacks wear off for no reason then complain that dps is lacking....

[Sicno]

You obviously don't play anything who have stacks to worry about.

So so so many tanks stand there, full tp, full mp, full hp and twiddle their thumbs til your stacks wear off for no reason then complain that dps is lacking....

Hi, lvl 60 MNK here \o and while it's bad to lose GL it's not the end of the world either.

Edit: also have you thought that maybe that tank is not there just thinking about the immortality of the crab but instead may be thinking of how to do the next pull or checking his inventory or checking other players or waiting for a patrolling enemy to reach a certain spot?

[Evangela]

It's so funny how tank players still think that other roles have to wait very long to get in a duty.

[Solarra]

It's so funny how tank players still think that other roles have to wait very long to get in a duty.

Finishing up the MQS to Heavensward last week: average queue time 1hr, longest queue 1 1/2 hrs. Once we had to wait for a healer, every other time we were waiting for tanks.
Be nice to those guys people, they are getting scarce!

[Seryl199]

It's so funny how tank players still think that other roles have to wait very long to get in a duty.

If a tank gets into an instance on average of 10 seconds, and you get in as a DPS in 5 minutes, the tank is queuing 30 times faster than you. When you consider scenarios like

Finishing up the MQS to Heavensward last week: average queue time 1hr, longest queue 1 1/2 hrs. Once we had to wait for a healer, every other time we were waiting for tanks.
Be nice to those guys people, they are getting scarce!

it's safe to say tank queues are far shorter than other roles, whether you find the wait for them to be short or not, and demonstrates pretty effectively that tanks remain the most in demand role for pug content.