I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[PizzaRolls]

if they pull it let them be the ones to kill it offer no aid they pull it they kill it plain as that

[Azazua_azura]

I'll leave this here

Through out human history, it has been said just because something is the majority way of thinking does not make it right.
If 3 players want the tank to pull more mobs, but the tank is fresh and isn't sure/confident, or laclks skill/gear to do so. Majority takes a back seat.

DF is meant to be all inclusive, if you want excluisionary mindsets PF is there for it.

Why does the NA community treat DF like PF? And PF like DF?

You guys want inclusive parties finder groups but exclusive Duty finder groups. Sorry but majority wishes takes a back seat if someone can't handle it. It is pathetic, to assume just because your a majority, you enforce your way to the point of bullying. Like I stated before. I was a fresh tank in the NA community, who accepts advice, tips, I don't do the you pull you tank. And Was harrassed for being new. Simply because I was a year late.

I think yall need to take a step back and actually READ what your saying, because on both side it comes off as bullying.

[Atoli]

Sorry but majority wishes takes a back seat if someone can't handle it.

I am not squishy at all. I can manage myself quite good

I am not a bad tank, in fact, I usually don't have issue with more bobs at once. I like taking time and not having a cluster hell in front of me. Why people needs to always be super fast with everythings and not actually enjoy the game?

This is not about someone who can't handle it. It's about someone who can handle it but chooses not to, because he'd rather take his sweet time.

[Azazua_azura]

This is not about someone who can't handle it. It's about someone who can handle it but chooses not to, because he'd rather take his sweet time.

Thats pretty rude thing to say actually. My question is, why do you care? Its a game.

I honestly hate speed runs actually, it messes with my anxiety more so if I'm heavily geared lower then my team, or they decided to play chicken and attack right after the tank pulls. I been on both the NA data center I NEVER had a fun group as a tank. I do my best, but it is never good enough. I have enough Issues offline to want to deal with cyber bully over pixels.

It best to stop turning The NA DF system into something exclusionary if you don't want to deal with tanks who are not into your style of playing make friends with tanks who are and play with them.


And if you don't mind me saying your attitude in this thread from the, posts of yours I have rea,d has been pretty bad.

And just fyi, communication and actions are not the same thing, if people are running off to pull more mobs that is an insuilt to the tank. It steping on the tanks toes and doing their job for them. I actually HATE when people do that, but i have reason why I leave groups who do that is due to my ADD and aspergers.

I get stressed out if I'm feeling or being rushed, This causes me to get anxiety. And with my aspergers (i already have high anxiety with it) I have trouble with communicating not to do that. And if i get too stressed out I get sick because i have super ventricular technicardia (heart abnormality).

Why should I be treated less because of that? I loved ff11, and I very much enjoy ff14. I just really dislike how the NA community treats others in DF.

Which is the reason why I jumped to tonberry, and I don't reget it. My experiences in DF have improved 10 fold. I have ran into trolls/rude players but not as often, and deffinately not had bad as the NA players I met in DF.

[Kaitlen]

I love tanking and I'll tank anything, it doesn't bother me except if I have to repeat the same dungeon back to back. (Note: I took a break from the game and never had the displeasure of running the latest expert dungeons) However, pre-3.0, I didn't mind those dungeons for expert.

Well, point is, the only thing that will irritate me are those people that pull ahead of me. I probably won't quit the dungeon, but I'm not going to actively try to save their ass if I couldn't put down some hate first before DPS starts going to town on the mobs. That said, I've had this happen maybe three times where it got out of control.

I enjoy the tank insta-queues and I don't take it for granted. I know from experience while playing non-tank jobs that [some] tanks can be little bitches. Yes, I said little bitches... :O

Oh...and: You spank it, you tank it. (unless of course, you face pulled on accident. (^-^)/

[kilawpilath]

For me, I always try to play each role, to know what they can and can't do. Or at least get a general Idea of what to expect. It also helps me know what I like and don't like in the game.
So far, from the original post, maybe the issue is that you like to tank, but maybe need to find a more static group, or just some friends or FC mates to hang out with and tank for them.
If no one is on with your FC when you are usually on, find an FC that is on. Which can be scary.
If you have to PuG, maybe as your going ask questions, get to know the people your pugging with, try to find out what they are expecting and adapt to that.
If all else fails, try a different role. That's the wonderful thing about this game. You don't have to make a new character to do that.. you just go to the class guild, and start with them.

[kilawpilath]

When it comes to how I like to play, as a Main Ranged DPS, I prefer to let the tank go in first. I've learned, unless its a lowbie dungeon that can be facerolloled, I try to watch who the tank is focusing on, by targeting him/her and trying to DPS that target if I can. Because I know how stressful it can be for the tank, since I've played as one.
If I see the healer getting pressure, as DPS I might try to pluck at the enemy if I can to try and maybe help generate enough threat to pull it off if I can.
And since I'm a SMN mostly, in worst cases, I might even bring out my Titan. Sometimes its nice to have a pet that can also soft/off tank
Its why I like SMN so much. Its the Jack of all trades focusing on DPS.

[Shai]

This thread has only reaffirmed what every thread about tanking and every tank in every DF dungeon reaffirms everyday.

Tanks are selfish divas who think the dungeon runs around them and everyone should cater to them or they'll just drop and requeue faster than an average DPS would without a penalty.

So many dungeons (Expert Roulette) that the tank has just wandered AFK for ten minutes - cause hey he didn't wait 15-45 minutes to join the queue, so it's not like he couldn't have gotten a drink or taken a crap beforehand with all that extra time - and I just tell the DPS to pull. I can clear everything up to the boss of ANY dungeon without a tank. Hell, when queue as a full party, we often don't even bring a tank, and I'm not talking about Copperbell, but Neverreap (sure this doesn't work for all of them).

[IndigoHawk]

... Tanks are selfish divas who think the dungeon runs around them and everyone should cater to them or they'll just drop and requeue faster than an average DPS would without a penalty.

Dungeons revolve around tanks, because there's a tank shortage. Many people don't want the responsibility to tank or are driven from it by people with bad attitudes. Tanks deserve slack because they're doing a role few people want to do.

Also, you're good enough that you don't even need tanks, so best practices don't apply to you. However, the best practice for duty finder is let the tank lead, pull, and don't push faster than they can or want to go. That has the highest chance of success and will result in the fastest dungeons on average by reducing wipes and time spent arguing.

Only a selfish diva would push tanks too fast and drive them from the role and make queues longer for everyone.

[Shai]

Dungeons revolve around tanks, because there's a tank shortage. Many people don't want the responsibility to tank or are driven from it by people with bad attitudes. Tanks deserve slack because they're doing a role few people want to do.

Also, you're good enough that you don't even need tanks, so best practices don't apply to you. However, the best practice for duty finder is let the tank lead, pull, and don't push faster than they can or want to go. That has the highest chance of success and will result in the fastest dungeons on average by reducing wipes and time spent arguing.

Only a selfish diva would push tanks too fast and drive them from the role and make queues longer for everyone.

No, they really don't. This is the "diva" attitude I'm talking about. Tanks shouldn't get special treatment (cut slack).

Man, when a tank joins up and says "Hey, I never ran this dungeon before - you guys mind if I do simple pulls just to get the hang of it?" Sure, man. Go for it. Very few people care about that. All I ever cared about at all in this thread is TANKS WHO WASTE MY DAMN TIME like they got all the time in the world. I'm not sitting there demanding speed runs, but I am saying there's a threshold for when a tank isn't doing his job, and the party can call him out on it by pulling for him while he stands there diddling around not doing his job (pulling).