I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Sicno]

Not really. "I can hold the group hostage so we're doing things my way" is not a good point, or something that should be encouraged.

...I think I addressed this many pages ago

You have the wrong idea of what's "holding a group hostage". Standing still while refusing to progress as a way of revenge or trolling or because they went for a smoke or because they had to attend to IRL stuff for a long time is holding the group hostage. Progressing at normal pace but not as fast as expected in the current "meta" is not.

[Malevicton]

...I think I addressed this many pages ago

There's no such thing as a normal pace. If anything were, it'd probably be the meta lol

If people are still gonna argue that slow pulls are how the devs designed it, then come with a dev quote.

[Evangela]

They should just remove the tank role from this game. Many of them are abusing the other players with the nature of their role and think that they're the leader and can do everything the way they want.

[SonKevin]

They should just remove the tank role from this game. Many of them are abusing the other players with the nature of their role and think that they're the leader and can do everything the way they want.

lol. Do you think FFXIV is your safe space? What gives you the right to think you're the leader? It's all the damage mitigation and healing ability you have, right? Sorry, but DPS is literally the worst class in the game. You're just gonna have to face this doggy dog world. For all intensive purposes DPS are a diamond dozen. I have zero taller ants when it comes to DPS being a bunch of pre-Madonnas when their class can literally do nothing other than push buttons with no care in the world. Playing a DPS is a peach of cake.

[Razem5791]

They should just remove the tank role from this game. Many of them are abusing the other players with the nature of their role and think that they're the leader and can do everything the way they want.

By all means ! Please ! But you forget one thing : for you to enjoy killing and show off your master DPS to all, you need a wall to avoid running around trying to avoid a high damage blow from a mob at the same time and that wall is the tank. Even for a healer it will become a nightmare to keep someone like you alive ! For me your reasonning is lacking strongly. And in a perfect group most of the heals goes to the tank and few go to the others and thats the way for a healer to be comfortable in a dungeon. And thats the job of a tank : to make everyone comfortable while on a... SPEED RUN for example... We tank dont have your DPS, thats a fact. But thats for sure that you don't have a tank defense/parry...

[Evangela]

then do your job, move forward and take damages.

[SonKevin]

then do your job, move forward and take damages.

Sure, as I feel appropriate. Not the way a non-AOE DPS wants to move. The literal worse DPS to run a dungeon with. I'll take two BLMS or BLM BRD over any dps with crappy AOE abilities.

[Evumeimei]

They should just remove the tank role from this game. Many of them are abusing the other players with the nature of their role and think that they're the leader and can do everything the way they want.

Do you actually ask for a speedrun or bigger pulls? Or do you just pull?

There's a point where it's less about what role you play and more about how you treat other players, and how willing you are to cooperate and work as a team. A party should decide what they are comfortable with.

Everyone in this thread is making it seem like the tank is the only person with an issue. I'm sure that is not the case. As well, many factors come into play in DF parties and, sometimes, speedruns aren't the best option (tank having aggro issues or almost dying; healers unable keep up with the healing; DPS with... bad dps; or even just bad aoe composition [two melee DPS]).

I know this beating a dead horse, but... if you reaaally can't stand normal dungeon runs then run with a pre-made party. If not, then learn to work with what you've got. Respect the fact that not everyone plays the same as you (not excusing people who don't try to learn to play their jobs properly, but they are a reality when you use DF).

[KingOfAbyss]

They should just remove the tank role from this game. Many of them are abusing the other players with the nature of their role and think that they're the leader and can do everything the way they want.

Saddens me to read that. I don't know which type of Tank person you got that made you believe this, as not all Tanks are the same, but to.. abuse?

Our role is to 'lead' the party. not the 'people'. Then we need to generate enough enmity to ensure the safety of everyone so all can DPS to their fun.

If you go like that, clearing all the mobs everytime a bunch shows up, you get to the first, second and last boss, and then you clear it with no one that died, I think for me my job is done, so is the healer, and so is the DPS.

I wonder what kind of behavior outside of this you got from Tanks.

Those that wants to rush into all, I don't mind, just pull. if you die (cause my GF will heal and she'll stop right there) you will learn that you must use your cooldowns for less enmity if you have it on your job (2nd), and.. to wait that the Tank will get them (1st). Then you'll have to walk/run to us again, wasting our time.

If you cannot live with that, and that the dungeon like the Vault will take 30 mins with me (trying to get the WHM cool glamour weapon so I do it with my lvl 60, gives me nothing besides a few glamour and some gil), then please leave if you see my name; so we won't waste each other's time.

Outside of this, I will be more than happy to Tank for everyone! Be nice to all, and you shall receive the same respect.

EDIT: you wrote this:

Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
for today standard, higher chance that the diva tank "you pull it you tank it" will get booted by 3 players that want to do it fast. which is a good thing.

Now, it's me that will leave if I see your name. Not because I am a Diva, far from it, but you seems stuck to pull things on your own, and that doesn't work for me. Good luck with others that will enforce your idea of 'Diva Tanks' lol

Seems it's not Tanks the problem in your case. *hands a mirror

Unlucky for you when trying to kick, the third one is my healer GF lol

[SonKevin]

When I play a healer or a tank I let people die if they get stupid. It's not like I care.