I don't want to tank dungeons anymore...

[Atoli]

Yes, in a way it is, but it's a matter of "this is doable" vs "this is not doable". If a tank pulls faster than s/he can handle, you're heading for a wipe.

I think we can all agree that in a "go slow or wipe it" scenario, the tank is completely in the right^^
But the OP was more about preference, so basically "slow" runs with a group that could handle bigger pulls/less pauses just fine, but doesn't do them because the tank doesn't like big pulls. I queue with an FC friend from time to time, an awesome BLM. I'm a pretty good BLM too, so if we get a decent healer and nicely equipped tank, it irks me to no end when the tank pulls 1 or 2 mobs at a time. Yeah, SMN may have taken our AoE god title away, but we are still one of the best AoE classes in the game. Why are you forcing us to attack a group of less than 3 monsters? ;-;

But of course I agree that dps/healers pulling is not the right way to communicate that need for bigger groups to the tank, although I probably did it once or twice in my life .-.
(and obviously regreted it afterwards because I remembered how much I hate it when people do that when I tank xD)

None of this is targeted directly at HalfLegend, he already stated on page 2(?) that he is actually not a slow tank at all, just slower than some would like it.
I think at this point we have to make a destinction between an honest, thought-through need for bigger pulls and someone just storming off on the very first pull. The first takes the group's ability into consideration, the second is just an idiot who won't be pleased either way.

@all the people who say "communication is key":
Yes, totally! But my rule of thumb is to never expect anything out of DF groups ever. Never assume they will communicate their needs verbally, or discuss strategies on their own. So take the matter into your own hands right from the start and ask them. If there is no answer, they can't complain afterwards. As someone said in this thread already, a skilled tank finds a pace that keeps everyone comfortable based on the group's ability. It seems like tanks who do that rarely have others pull ahead. Well, except for the few idiots who do it regardless of what you do
Like that one healer HalfLegend had.

[AlphaFox]

What it boils down to is, while some of you are able to read the tank in what they are capable of and call it correctly, a vast majority of the time the healers or dps want to get in on this strange fascination of "help" they are wrong and either cause the tank to go in WAY over their head when they knew they couldn't handle it or end up getting themselves killed. If you really want to speed the run up, help with killing the current mobs as opposed to running off (not dealing any DPS) and bringing more to the party. Not all tanks are ready to speed run like you want them to, either accept it or leave the dungeon and wait.

Honestly its this mindset that causes potential people to sway away from tanking for duty finder thus increasing the wait for DPS/Healers. I practically refuse cus of the stuff I see tanks go through.

[HalfLegend]

What it boils down to is, while some of you are able to read the tank in what they are capable of and call it correctly, a vast majority of the time the healers or dps want to get in on this strange fascination of "help" they are wrong and either cause the tank to go in WAY over their head when they knew they couldn't handle it or end up getting themselves killed. If you really want to speed the run up, help with killing the current mobs as opposed to running off (not dealing any DPS) and bringing more to the party. Not all tanks are ready to speed run like you want them to, either accept it or leave the dungeon and wait.

Honestly its this mindset that causes potential people to sway away from tanking for duty finder thus increasing the wait for DPS/Healers. I practically refuse cus of the stuff I see tanks go through.

You. I like you :3

[Derio]

Dont really understand, if the healer thinks the run is going to slow, there is a cleric stance for a reason.

[Nadirah]

Then don't tank?

[Synestra]

Then don't tank?

Cmon if healers and DPS are "allowed" to slack in DF why tanks cant do the same? sometimes its nice to relax and play with one hand while sipping some coffee.

[Nadirah]

Cmon if healers and DPS are "allowed" to slack in DF why tanks cant do the same? sometimes its nice to relax and play with one hand while sipping some coffee.

What are you talking about? I can already do that.

OP = whining about tanking. "I don't want to tank anymore". My response? "Then don't tank?"

[HalfLegend]

The title is mostly just to drama a bit because I thought it would be funny. I could have tanked the big pull. I can tank ways more than the average. It never have been a question that I couldn't or that I was a dead weight. I am bringing this up because people doesn't want to have fun anymore. They want fast thing everywhere. They want eso cap day 1. They don't even look how awesome the fight goes when everyone is unleashing their abilities. They don't want to ask or help others. They just want to ''get it over as fast as possible''.

And guess what? Those peoples are the first one to come on forum and complains that there is nothing to do or the game lack of content.

[MihaelB]

Banter

Have you thought 'those peoples' are perhaps waiting on their party to continue and having time to post whilst waiting? Majority of my posting is done whilst waiting for people in game sadly

There is an amount of times I can stare at similar animations without being bored.

Personally I have fun running things with my group of friends more often than strangers as our success/ mistakes are remembered.

[Malevicton]

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Ugh, I hate the whole "everyone who doesn't stop for 10 minutes to look at flowers in between pulls is a dead eyed soulless husk who can't have fun" shtick. A lot of players enjoy speedruns more, and it's pretty obvious why, even if it's not your cup of tea. You aren't brightening the world, you're trying to make everyone have fun the way you want to have fun, which not everyone will.

Heck, even the people who do fall into the deadeyed soulless husk category, can you blame them? 2 dungeons are all that's there, all anyone's had for almost 5 months, and they were faceroll from day 1. Doing them slower won't make them any more fun, it'll make it even more boring. At least with larger pulls you have to actually hit buttons, and if you don't there will be consequences. With small pulls most of your party can afk and the only problem will be a slightly longer run. If someone's sick of those dungeons then making them longer and less engaging won't help.

So, are we not talking about a hypothetical awful tank anymore? You said you can pull more easily, so if the party wants you to then why wouldn't you? To force them to have fun?