Hunts, again? Really? *drama starting*

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<--- Rant start, round 1! --->

(Hey! I ... I could tell you to check first if your reply to this post exists and navigate through all the pages it may get before you post... But, I'm nice and will just add a <-- Round 5, important replies --> here, so you don't need to search around all the world to see what people is worried about this post and the reply. *quiet tone* Enjoooy )


Okay.... So.... *Tries to relax, taking a cup of tea*

Let's see, it's rumored that... SE is going to make it again, to comit the same errors made in 2.3 / 2.5 / and Heavensward first month....

Yes, my friends, I'm speaking about.... THE HUNT (Input dramatic terror sound here) as a method to become 210 mainstream quickly just by farming monsters like crazy with 0 skill. Yes, a method to go and upgrade gear you work so hard for it!... You just need to... Get into 8 hunt linkshells, let someone go and search for them, go fast to the zone, do two-three hits, and, congratulations, after 8 hours of boring gameplay you have a new shiny item to reinforce your i210 stuff. (It was awesome to have Job stuff colored different, bye bye to it too).

No, but, speaking seriously... It costed me to believe it in 2.5... It also costed me to believe that it was back in early the expansion... And it will still costs me and amuse me that it's going to be here, again, messing up the good community we have and giving us that 'griefing' we needed so much (?).


"But, hey, it's totally optional, you are not forced to do hunts! You can just wait and get an item upgraded each week by doing the quests! It's not like you'd be interested in also have all your gear i210 after all dem peasants in hunts did so! You are not forced!" (SEriously?.)

<--- Round 2! Let's remember those awesome things about hunt that we miss so much! --->

1- "Inv spam" -> We can enjoy again seeing our chats spammed with that stylish battlecry. Pro hunters know, you don't need to have a linkshell to know where are hunts, just follow the inv spam.
2- "Toxic Fields" -> Ah, but, nothing like seeing what happens after the inv spam a minute after, you can read all kind of awesome comments from people, they are so happy about hunting.
3- "Bad guys are back" -> We always whine that we have no bad guys! Don't worry! Early pullers and trollers will be back, the enemies number one of all us, they are so naughty! /add bl "Early Puller"
4- "No need to try hard anymore!" -> Why bothering trying hard to get good gear?! We can just sit around all day waiting for others to search our stuff and then go and spam one skill on a monster! Yay! I love having my alts i210 easy way!... SE please uncap esoterics now, it's too painful to wait another week to get a piece to upgrade.

<--- Round 3! We shall welcome again our dear hunting fauna, they'll be back! All of the races, groups and types! --->

1- The Troller -> The one so cool enough to tell that there's a S rank where it's not. He's really awesome and everyone hates him so much... Just like the early puller, he's a total villain made out of pure skill...For lying.

2- The Early Puller -> The enemy number one of the server, he's cool because he doesn't wait for others, awesome because he's always the same, everyone knows him, hates him but admires him, and he keeps doing it, nobody will ever let him die because they are goats who instantly kill the monster when someone touches it, (It's fine, you can get quick your reward not having to wait, and you can always blame the early puller!). He's secretly loved by the Well Informed group.

3- The Well Informed -> This guy has no raid groups and not linkshells for it, but, if he has, he now has deleted it all, it's time to welcome the 8 slots and dedicate them only for hunts! He's awesome because he's always there one of the firsts and his ability to find the most active linkshell hunts is outstanding. Secretly loves the Early Puller because that way he doesn't have to wait too much for go back crafting or lazy around Manderville Gold Saucer.

4- The Repeater -> Not necessarily associated with The Well Informed, but stills a variation of it. This guy has a lot of linkshells but, different to others, he has awesome mega cool macros to spam whenever he hears something in a linkshell. Sometimes he gets the appeareance that he's the one going and finding the stuff out there even if he's just repeating what he saw in another linkshell. But, it feels good, you are helping others to go there fast!. He loves The Scout Dog, since, most of messages he repeats sometimes come from him.

5- The Accuser -> He saw it, he knows who's the early puller and he'll make sure to tell everyone to blacklist him. The Accuser is kind of like a politician of the hunts, he keeps gaining good fame and influence by reporting others or blaming others, and, once he's in power and have some powers and the people's trust, then he can start to blame his enemies even if they are innocent. (Oh! It doesn't matter how nice someone was, once you accusate it of bein an early puller people will go unreasonable and hate it!... Sweet!)

6- The Scout Dog -> He's not so valuated like The Repeater or The Accuser, neither so famous as The Early Puller, but, he's the one that makes hunting possible. The Scout Dog is who finds fun into encountering the elite marks himself, either searching or going in party. He thinks he's awesome for finding it and doesn't realize that the high chances he has for finding monsters are not due to his exploratory skills or luck, but, rather, because he's the only one doing all the work for the other 99% of ''hunters''.

7- The Pro Hunter -> If you mix The Repeater, with The Accuser, and you give it 10 hours per day to be there for all the hunts that appear, and website powers to check when monsters will appear... Then you obtain the final product of the hunt, the boss, the Pro hunter, though, he would never be able to kill an elite mark alone even if he'd duplicate x 8 and make his full party, he has the power to decide the destiny of most of hunters and the elite marks of the area and everyone knows it. He also has the power to decide where the S ranks spawn because he can go and activate their mechanisms the days he know and want and then call out in linkshells.

8- The Whiner -> Exists only for arriving too late and blame the early puller, or even those who pulled even if they waited 10 minutes. He's the favorite of the Early Puller, his comments make him feel even more evil-mad-cool and fuels his inspiration to keep going. The Whiner will never become The Accuser even if he secretly aims for it, people knows he's paranoid and at certain points just whines for the sake of doing it, or because habit, thus, never getting any trust of the others.

9- The True Hunter -> Also called "noob" by the rest of the hunter fauna. This poor guy goes and finds his stuff alone, and, either with his party of true hunters or alone, he defeats the elite mark, requires skill and all so, but, you get hate because you didn't share it with others. Plus, it's also noob to do it so challenging because it's not rewarding at all and you gain from 10 to 5 times less seals than the rest of the fauna. Underestimated like the scout dog and in the shadow, the main difference with it is that fights his stuff and gets less benefits.

10- The Casual -> He doesn't care about hunts because it's boring content and knows that it doesn't require skill but just to sacrifice linkshell slots. So just joins the hunt sometimes, if some guild or raid member is going or making a party, eventually, in rare ocasions.

11- The Ninja -> He's the party leader. Whenever you shout "Inv" if you get an invitation in one mili-second then it means you have been invited by The Ninja. This guy is the most reliable one for doing a S rank without having drama later, his ninja skills allow him to send a quick invitation and fill a 8 man party in just a few seconds, and they are stealthy, you do never know if they are in a map because you don't see their "Inv" message, they don't need to make one.

12 - Lazy Princess -> She's tired today. Well, to be honest, she's tired everyday, so... You are the chosen one, her blue prince, go to face the terrible monster for her and call her when it's almost over, she'll use the Eternal Bonding ring to teleport to your location and also get part of the treasure as if she'd be a hunter!

13 - The Diva -> There's only one she or he goes to the hunt, and it's because... He's fabulous! And Eorzea shall know it too, because, especially when the hunt is on its maximum level all the damn server gathers there The Diva finds this an unique oportunity in life to show up there, using all his rare mounts or showing all the new glamours he made, (And of course using one or two skills while in party to get the loot). The Diva tends to get some distance from the Early Puller... What would people think if his awesome image would be spoiled by the evil aura of that monster?! It's also one of the first ones in using a "good job" macro with a moogle or something cute.

14 - The ''Forced'' one -> He's here because he doesn't want to be left behind in the gears or wait months to upgrade it while the rest of hunter fauna has it everything full... So despite hating the hunts and everything related to its fauna does his best effort to try to be there and get his stuff. The Forced one can never be The Scout Dog because he thinks that doing all the work for the rest of lazy bums is pointless and he has no time for it, he tries to make it easy, like the 95%, and the less painful for him possible in order to get his gear and then try to forget about the hunt until next expansion makes it trending. It's also called antisocial because rarely shouts an "inv" (Would feel ashamed to let know others he's even doing this stuff) so tries to invite people, in a futile attempt, before The Ninja does it and get a small party. Sometimes tries to invite The Casual with him to make the hunt less painful since it's only one he can get along with. Usually his opinion of hunters is the lowest, and doesn't admire the Early Puller.

<-- Round 4 -->

Dedicated only to say that I'm not a native English speaker and I wrote this too fast, so I'd appreciate to avoid what tends to happen when people goes into intolerant mode. And that, yes, if It's not clear, I don't miss any of the things of the hunt nor their awesome and fabulous groups, we are fine without them too!.

Inb4: "Omg you just whine because you are the 1% raider super elite, this game is made for we casuals" / "all gear tends to get easy to obtain when we advance" --------->>> OKAY.... So this is really the content that a casual would enjoy? Fascinating, I also can admit it can be fascinating, really, taking a look to the groups that shape the hunt community... Yeah! It's worth a try.










(That last phrase was sarcasm.)




PD: Not everything is bad about your decisions, for example, making it so you can only send 5 friend invitations per day to stop RMT is awesome, finally! Thanks about it!



(The PD is not sarcasm)

<-- Round 5, important replies -->

*Gets another cup of tea, knowing he'll need it* So... Let's see what people is worried about, some of the negative (Regarding this thread) messages , because you know it, putting here only the possitive ones would be boring, right?. Nobody wants to see in this section a "I agree with you! Hunts are the worse!"

So its SE's error that people are donkey's? If the community is so good why is there such a cesspool around things that the community does together?

2.3 Wasn't SE error, they have not divination and can see how the people will exploit and spoil their work. 2.5 was already half of their fault for repeating it again despite knowing the same problems would occur again if you do so. (If you put a torch next to a fabric piece and you see it burn, the less you won't do is to try again to see if it won't burn next time!)
Heavensward launch was already their fault for making it so until the alexander, the best gear was HUNT EXCLUSSIVE. And, it's going to be their fault for, again, despite knowing what is coming with the hunt, giving it another importance-buff again. (Except if you tell me that... SE doesn't know what comes with the hunt, in which case I'm glad I made this topic so they may check it and have some feedback about what's the Hunt, from the player experience and not the developer's.)

In short.. If you don't want to do it. Don't do it. And as the poster after the original post says, there's already a thread for this.

I already took more time than necessary to make the poll and give it the importance it deserves before loosing all that precious data about hunting in just the page 69 of somewhere.

Do you want me to lose more time checking if it already exists? So meanie <.<... Rather, why some people is not able to give anything useful for threads than a "It exists already?" It should be added officially to the Forum Fauna groups. (It's kind of offensive that... When you get your time to make a post, someone comes and only posts a "Hey, it already exists" As if you'd have all the time of the world to check. )

Do you really consider that the thread of someone who only wrote five lines is more worth than mine because it was posted one day before? I don't, as well as I don't consider mine more worth it than the one posted a day ago, but, I consider it equal, and, as equal, WORTH HAVING ITS OWN.

i rather ppl do hunts, and they adding cent seals to 2.0 a ranks.

do you know how often i ran into a Ranks blocking my path leveling/questing becsause no one kills them or havre no need to.

Every A rank in ARR, some 2 -4 times, and I've shouted and asked my fc. My b/f had to come attack the stuff for me so i can pass by -_-

Round 5 gives us some possitive way to see hunts! Finally... And... I must... Shamefully admit that she's right. It's not pleasant at all to find an A rank there, lonely, not killed anymore by the masses... Elite marks then to get bored when they are not brutally zerged, and, after a time like that they start to harrass other adventurers in order to have something to do, some meaning to their lifes!
You gave me idea for the 15th group "The Peacemaker". Going around to save people in distress and kill the ranks nobody wants to kill because no reward, just for the sake to see the smiles of those who are being harrassed by those evil creatures!

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Warning about following quote-reply: Here comes a way to dramatize the stuff and take wrong every piece of word to their liking. (Geez... I already had to write in one reply above my opinion about making an own thread, specificaly in the reply to Natashio)

It's also kind of offensive that you consider your opinion to be worth so much more than everyone else that you think you need your own thread, when everyone else - who also has valid opinions - manages to keep it to the same thread.
Self-importance is not a very pretty trait, just sayin'
Also, losing time? The time it took you to write down that giant post is probably 40 times more than it would have taken to check the front page. That's right, not even using the search function (which takes about 5 seconds), just checking the front page would have done the trick to see that there was no need to create a new thread. Awfully rude to waste other people's time just so you don't have to spend 5 seconds checking if your point has already been made..

- I guess I could also tell you what's rude. To come to a thread speaking about hunt and make a comment only with the intention to devirtualize it and speak about things that have nothing to do with hunts... But, well, feeding the troll from time to time is not bad I guess? It'd be boring to just reply you with a "Please don't devirtualize the thread" / "Just comment about what we thread is focused about." / "Don't be rude and talk only about the matter that matters." But, it's weekend, I guess I have some extra time, I guess that, maybe, I could even have used the search function if it's really so important for you, yes.
" The time it took you to write down that giant post" Exactly, it took me a lot of time to make this post, and instead of appreciating it you go like "there's already one". Why is it so bad to give it a dedicated post? It's not a 2 lines reply to a post. I didn't make it replying to a certain post, It's a post made itself. But, really... Things are getting sirius whenever someone sees a thread repeated. I'd understand whining about it if I'd just selfishly given my opinion about hunts in five lines, but, NOT THE CASE. (Excuse me, I'm going to be a bit more selfish here and say the next "And what about the laughs? People has to laugh. What if this funny thread would have been lost in the 69 page of somewhere?"
Awfully rude to waste other people's time Hmmm.... Hmmm?!.. How... So?... Do you mean because you had to read an extended post you may didn't like?... Well, then...

ALSO, nobody gonna force you to read this. There's other thread too.

(Just decided to use one of the quotes I knew I'd see in the post and edit it slightly, where edited words appear like this. You know, it's always funny either to dramatize what others take time writing, or use their words against them or others.

By the way and as a last reflexion... Why has it to be so the person who posted about this previous than me has more value or more right to have his own thread? Does that person's thread REALLY gives the same humouristic touch I did to this one? I doubt my thread is the copy paste of "SE, hunts are bad, please fix" so your "This thread again" argument is invalid. This thread can't be affixed to any other as a simple reply.
And mine may not have more value than the one posted a day ago even if it was five lines, but, also, it doesn't have less value. And, if they are equal, then ... IT'S EQUAL TO ALSO HAVE ITS OWN THREAD.

Who art thou to tell me how to use my time? Child of a treacherous kind....

Let the linkshell leaches cry. Who really cares if they do.

I think I'll just hunt them as you are supposed to. One group for the kills, if the leaches don't even know there was a hunt, they can't get their panties in a knot.

I appreciate a lot true hunters like you... Too bad you are the minory and your task is not rewarding at all except by the fact of making the hunt something interesting and challenging. (That is a good reward in my opinion, but, not enough if you want your shiny 210 gear in one week )

Time ago I did also some true hunting myself with a small four party. It was awesome, as someone once said "Damn, it's harder than scob this ***!" Because we foguth Vogaal Ja and believe me it can be stressing when only 4 and with the gear of that era.... But it was amazing. The same with for example Dalvag's soul... It makes a tornado attack with I think that 16000 damage, can't remember, and you have to share it or it one shots you... Funny thing is that Dalvag keeps binding you and stunning and stuff, making the party stack difficult, we had to summon the chocobos so there was more stuff to share the damage. Healing throught it was really exciting.... And, do you know what's sad about all this? Some of the elite marks have mini mechanics and funny stuff that can make them like mini raid bosses, but... 99% player databse DON'T SEE THOSE.... The hunt is just so awful that people just goes there, gather, kill in one milisecond and nothing else needed. It's sad that... SE worked on doing such mechanics for being bypassed just because there comes thousand characters to zerg the monster. Some even can be soloable, like Marraco (Speaking about it, here's my solo Marraco! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxn4GUxw5Xg) . But requires you of thirty minutes fight. Others are not... Others are even a SAVAGE-like challenge.. I mean.. Try doing Sabotender Bailarina being only four, it's... Lot of laughs, except if you stack. (Well, rather, try do it with a 50 i100. )

Every time they add upgrade items to the hunt we have dozens of threads like this and yet they keep doing the same shit.
Clearely it's not enough, keep the threads coming.

YES.... It's never enough... I mean. I thought they already had enough feedback with 2.3 and 2.5, but, no, they went and did the same with HW expansion.. I thought it'd be because they were too tired doing the awesome expansion ( I loved it, except the way to upgrade stuff from laws)... But... Now..... AGAIN?

<-- Round 6, solutions -->

Because not everything can be whining, isn't it? Let's give SE some ideas of how we'd like to see hunts... The following idea from Kurogaea I'll post was planned to be added to <-- Round 5 --> but... It's just too good to waste it there, so added to ideas!

If they made them like actual hunt quests this wouldn't be a problem. Except the quests from the tavern or w/e, walk up to the hunt area queue awaiting 24-72 players, explore the now empty area instance specially made for your team, seek out the monster and beat the crap out of it. Now your whole team gets full credit and everyone goes back happy.

Oh my god!.... Guys, we finally have someone who really cares about this and, not only talks about the thread matters itself but also gives a way to fix it. Jokes aside I really value those who don't only see the problem but want to give a solution, And yours is indeed a good solution in my honest opinion... Too bad that you'll always have to face those who will give you thousand reasons of why your good solution is not good... Good luck with it! For good's sake spam.

(If SE would make hunts as Kurogaea suggests I'd make a video of "Speedruning hunts with some friends" and post it here, deleting all the post I made about the rant that would no longer be useful at all but a relic of the past. I'd also change my "hunts are the worse of FFXIV together with RMT" motto to "I love hunts!". Though, as personal taste, I'd make it so we can only take like 3-5 daily quests for A ranks and 3-5 weekly quests for S ranks, and similar to treasure maps you have a fixed time to complete, so, you have to bring your confidence friends and prepare for some challenge! )

Another solution could be:

Make a party of your own and go to your GC Hunting board, accept whichever hunt rank you want to kill as an entire group. And after accepting the quest, go to Hunt area and make it instanced (just like the job quests) for your entire party.
This way, people don't have to wait up for 50+ people to show up. It would be friendly for those that have not much time to play the game.
And it would solve the problem for others that missed the said Hunt, to get their own chance to do it themselves.
Also, it would solve toxicity of the playerbase.

Maybe add a weekly/daily cap to match up with the curent spawning time of said hunts?

Perhaps, make a Hunt Finder similar to Duty Finder?



Just my 2 cents.

We keep getting nice ideas! Liking it too, It's basically instance a big map... And I think, why not? It's possible to instance a whole map, it's just like a dungeon but big scale. Also I siriusly recommend to read the whole quote that BunnyHop made because... Many truth on his/her words, but didn't add it here, or people would be complaining that I only add replies that support me and that stuff, you know, salt.

that come with 3.1 (without the tavern)

If all hunts would be like that... But sounds awesome! Hey, it even kind of gives the dream of many people after all. To go and have gathering duties in a dungeon, now there you get gathering objectives while other slaying objectives. Generally, any content that would make hunts instanced (Read carefully here before you whine about "We have to instance all the content?!", instanced doesn't mean a dungeon or small map. A whole Coerthas Central Highlands map could be an instance for your interest.) would do fine for this good, but broken system.

<-- Round 7, YOUR ROUND! -->

So here comes a funny question, idea obtained thanks to someone's reply... Do you feel identified with any of the hunting fauna shown in round 3? Which one would you be?

[Atoli]

There are 2 threads about this topic on the front page alone, do we really need another one?

That said, nope, I feel that hunts are actually not casual-friendly at all.

[Natashio]

In short.. If you don't want to do it. Don't do it. And as the poster after the original post says, there's already a thread for this.

[Eye_Gore]

Let's see, it's rumored that... SE is going to make it again, to comit the same errors made in 2.3 / 2.5 / and Heavensward first month....

messing up the good community we have and giving us that 'griefing' we needed so much (?).

So its SE's error that people are donkey's? If the community is so good why is there such a cesspool around things that the community does together?

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Added the <-- Round 5, Important Replies --> to the main post, will make sure to update it, if necessary, if replies worth it or that people shall check, or anything giving us a fake hope for a better hunting this time or throwing some light to the darkness with a "Hey, it's not that bad, I love it!"



PS: Sorry, the reply to "This already exists" have been already made, you come late to be there, one of those is enough.

[Azazua_azura]

i rather ppl do hunts, and they adding cent seals to 2.0 a ranks.

do you know how often i ran into a Ranks blocking my path leveling/questing becsause no one kills them or havre no need to.

Every A rank in ARR, some 2 -4 times, and I've shouted and asked my fc. My b/f had to come attack the stuff for me so i can pass by -_-

[Eul]

Would you guys just stop making other thread? Some good thread become drowned cause of you guys selfiness about rant of hunt The current Centurio Mark is pretty useless right now. So it's not gonna become apocalypse if SE add the token to ilv210 to hunt. ALSO, nobody gonna force you to do hunt. There's Void Ark too.

It's really simple, don't want hunt? Void Ark. Want hunt? go hunt! *Activate flame shield*

[SevenHeavens]

yawn

move on please

[Atoli]

I already took more time than necessary to make the poll and give it the importance it deserves before loosing all that precious data about hunting in just the page 69 of somewhere.
Do you want me to lose more time checking if it already exists? So meanie <.<... Rather, why some people is not able to give anything useful for threads than a "It exists already?" It should be added officially to the Forum Fauna groups. (It's kind of offensive that... When you get your time to make a post, someone comes and only posts a "Hey, it already exists" As if you'd have all the time of the world to check. )

It's also kind of offensive that you consider your opinion to be worth so much more than everyone else that you think you need your own thread, when everyone else - who also has valid opinions - manages to keep it to the same thread.
Self-importance is not a very pretty trait, just sayin'
Also, losing time? The time it took you to write down that giant post is probably 40 times more than it would have taken to check the front page. That's right, not even using the search function (which takes about 5 seconds), just checking the front page would have done the trick to see that there was no need to create a new thread. Awfully rude to waste other people's time just so you don't have to spend 5 seconds checking if your point has already been made..

[Whiteroom]

Let the linkshell leaches cry. Who really cares if they do.

I think I'll just hunt them as you are supposed to. One group for the kills, if the leaches don't even know there was a hunt, they can't get their panties in a knot.