LB 3.1 changes are unfair to established teams.

**KaitlanKela** · 02-13-2016 05:56 AM

Thank you Zhex!

So those earlier in the thread who were speculating that this was a (somewhat misguided) attempt to limit solo-heal and solo-tank comps, you were right. That purpose is still being achieved: basically you have to be solo-heal/solo-tank in order to have 3 tanks, 3 healers or 5 DPS. However, this no longer punishes triple melee or triple ranged comps, since it doesn't lock you in to 2/2/2/2. The only restriction is you cannot have two of the same job, which is in keeping with the spirit of the change: to promote job diversity in raids. If solo heals/tanking because standard, healers and tanks would be under TIGHT competition to access savage raids. Similarly, if (hypothetically) two Scholars became the norm, WHM and AST mains would be SOL. This way, the system encourages people of all jobs having a place in the static.

I like it!

**Kaiser-Ace** · 02-13-2016 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

In Patch 3.2, we're planning to make the following adjustments to the rate in which the Limit Break gauge accumulates.

Content which utilizes the Duty Finder matching.

Regardless of the party composition, the accumulation rate will always be constant.

Content which does not utilize the Duty Finder matching.
(Content such as Alexander: Midas (Savage))

Under the below conditions, the Limit Break gauge will accumulate at a slower rate:

When there are 3 or more Tank class/jobs.

When there are 5 or more DPS class/jobs.

When there are 3 or more Healer class/jobs.

When there are 2 or more of the same class/jobs.

That sounds like a winner to me. Hopefully Midas Savage will be calibrated appropriately where this won't cause a difficulty imbalance Like Gordias Savage had.

**Lilith_Merquise** · 02-13-2016 06:57 AM

hmmm interesting, kinda disappointing that it doesn't open up for experimental group combinations and basically makes a Square Hole for a Square peg. But good to know how LBs will build.

**Escha** · 02-13-2016 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings,

Thanks for your patience as the development team reworked the changes to the Limit Break charge rate.

In Patch 3.2, we're planning to make the following adjustments to the rate in which the Limit Break gauge accumulates.

Content which utilizes the Duty Finder matching.

Regardless of the party composition, the accumulation rate will always be constant.

Content which does not utilize the Duty Finder matching.
(Content such as Alexander: Midas (Savage))

Under the below conditions, the Limit Break gauge will accumulate at a slower rate:

When there are 3 or more Tank class/jobs.

When there are 5 or more DPS class/jobs.

When there are 3 or more Healer class/jobs.

When there are 2 or more of the same class/jobs.

RIP solo healing

**Shyngo** · 02-13-2016 07:03 AM

why not just let ppl do whatever comp they want regardless? just because ppl would attempt crazy comps?

I dont understand why force us into "perfect setups". If they clear with 4 drgs or 4 bards, its their merit, by doing this SQEX just hinders people to follow strict matchups where shouldnt be needed.

**Shyngo** · 02-13-2016 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Escha

RIP solo healing

and solo tanking, thinking on those who cleared T5 back in the day.

**whiskeybravo** · 02-13-2016 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Escha

RIP solo healing

A whole extra dps is going to do more damage than whatever the difference in accumulation rate drops to... Not like they are getting rid of lb altogether.

**Daenarys_Targaryen** · 02-13-2016 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

A whole extra dps is going to do more damage than whatever the difference in accumulation rate drops to... Not like they are getting rid of lb altogether.

Not so bad for DPS, but if we get another turn like T13 where we need tank LB. Then good game for anyone that wants to try solo heal or tank.

**Nekodar** · 02-13-2016 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Daenarys_Targaryen

Not so bad for DPS, but if we get another turn like T13 where we need tank LB. Then good game for anyone that wants to try solo heal or tank.

It's a tradeoff... You either go with a diversified composition and get normal LB rate, or you try to win with stacking and lower LB rate.

**Teiren** · 02-13-2016 05:24 PM

That last bullet point is actually how the game works now since 2.1, and I haven't noticed a severe drop in Limit Break accumulation with repeat jobs. So if a fight appears to require Limit Break, then I don't think it'll be impossible to still do it with 1 tank or 1 healer (for Limit Break-related reasons) because I don't think the reduction will be very high if the current reduction incurred by repeat jobs is anything to go by.

Therefore, this properly normalizes things because Limit Break is never needed outside of a couple very specific times in ARR. Gameplay-wise, Limit Break is a helpful aid (or "crutch," to be negative) if you're greatly challenged by the encounter, or if you're farming, it merely finishes it 5-20 seconds sooner. In other words, if you're using 1 tank or 1 healer, that means your party is just that good that they don't need Limit Break anyway, and you're not missing much. Limit Break damage is not enough to be worth more than another damage dealer if the fight is possible with 5, or even 6, damage dealers. And those parties that will be helped most by it will include 2 tanks and 2 healers anyway because they're still challenged greatly by the encounter, assuming that it outright requires a second tank.

One last thing: If Limit Break is ever literally required and more than 4 damage dealers causes you to hit that point too soon, then oh well. That will probably never happen or be a very exclusive situation given Heavensward so far.

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