Thread: LB 3.1 changes are unfair to established teams.

Originally Posted by Shyngo

why not just let ppl do whatever comp they want regardless? just because ppl would attempt crazy comps?

I dont understand why force us into "perfect setups". If they clear with 4 drgs or 4 bards, its their merit, by doing this SQEX just hinders people to follow strict matchups where shouldnt be needed.

Let's call them something more realistic, like "diverse setups". These changes probably have no affect on 95+% of raid statics out there, and are primarily targeting every group running double monks to push for world first clears.
And clearing with multiples of the same job will still be possible, and will be lauded with even greater merit because of these changes.

That last bullet point is actually how the game works now since 2.1, and I haven't noticed a severe drop in Limit Break accumulation with repeat jobs. So if a fight appears to require Limit Break, then I don't think it'll be impossible to still do it with 1 tank or 1 healer (for Limit Break-related reasons) because I don't think the reduction will be very high if the current reduction incurred by repeat jobs is anything to go by.

Therefore, this properly normalizes things because Limit Break is never needed outside of a couple very specific times in ARR. Gameplay-wise, Limit Break is a helpful aid (or "crutch," to be negative) if you're greatly challenged by the encounter, or if you're farming, it merely finishes it 5-20 seconds sooner. In other words, if you're using 1 tank or 1 healer, that means your party is just that good that they don't need Limit Break anyway, and you're not missing much. Limit Break damage is not enough to be worth more than another damage dealer if the fight is possible with 5, or even 6, damage dealers. And those parties that will be helped most by it will include 2 tanks and 2 healers anyway because they're still challenged greatly by the encounter, assuming that it outright requires a second tank.

One last thing: If Limit Break is ever literally required and more than 4 damage dealers causes you to hit that point too soon, then oh well. That will probably never happen or be a very exclusive situation given Heavensward so far.

Originally Posted by Teiren

That last bullet point is actually how the game works now since 2.1.

It was 3.1 and this change got reverted in a hotfix close after 3.1. Together with the hotfix they announced to bring it back with 3.2 after some rework.

Originally Posted by KarstenS

It was 3.1 and this change got reverted in a hotfix close after 3.1. Together with the hotfix they announced to bring it back with 3.2 after some rework.

The original system on 3.1 grouped things differently. It divided damages to melee and ranged, and you got penalty if you had more than two of either group. So this penalised even such combinations as having both caster damages, BLM and SMN, still having bard or machinist, and only one melee damage.

As it is now, it only enforces the "traditional" 2 healers and 2 tanks with 4 damages, but leaves the actual damage class distribution alone as long as there is no doubles. And that only if you are on the level where you absolutely need the regular limit break. Nothing stops trying various creative setups, you can go as 8 SMN if you please. If you are of the level for that, the LB would have propably not been needed anyway.

What if we have a Sch + Smn in the pt, on healse, one is dps, but bots are the same Class? or it is based on wheat is said on the weapon, since smn weapon says acn+smn, and sch weapon only says sch.