3.1 PLD changes look good

[Brannigan]

Ifrit extreme is awesome, what are you talking about? Worst fight is probably A2S. What a snoozefest. Maybe it's fun if you get to drive the car or something.

[Alex_Lenderson]

Otherwise known as the worst fight in the game.

Eh? Its a bit easy for Extreme compared to Garuda and Titan (at the time) and the music was meh but I still enjoyed it.

[Alahra]

Otherwise known as the worst fight in the game.

Eh, personally my least favorite fight is T9, but I'm in a tiny minority on that one I'm sure. And Ifrit EX is no Mog EX, either.

[Reynhart]

PLD also provides better mitigation in place of high AOE damage, which is why it was used over DRK for early A2S progression (even though it was very obvious to everyone that DRK provided more AOE damage). There's a trade off, you can't be the best at mitigating multiple mobs and also have damage on par with the other tanks.

Ok, let's see your trade-off. Circle Of Scorn offers 250 potency every 25s.
Overpower is 120 every GCD, so, on these 25s, you can use it ten times for a total of 1200 potency.
And for DRK, Unleash is 100, so you would accumulate 1000 potency for theses 25s...without counting Salted Earth...or spamming Abyssal Drain with Dark Arts during Blood Price...

I'd really like the same comparison on mitigation to explain how PLD would be at least four times better than DRK or WAR.

[Brannigan]

Slightly off topic, but I've never played DRK in a2s. Can you dodge the Jagd Dolls in there with DA Dance? You can dodge all the adds in A4S with it, even the big dudes' special attacks. For that matter, can you dodge the spiders?

[Ultimatecalibur]

Ok, let's see your trade-off. Circle Of Scorn offers 250 potency every 25s.
Overpower is 120 every GCD, so, on these 25s, you can use it ten times for a total of 1200 potency.
And for DRK, Unleash is 100, so you would accumulate 1000 potency for theses 25s.

I'd really like the same comparison on mitigation to explain how PLD would be at least four times better than DRK or WAR.

Overpower and Unleash are meant to be balanced with Flash not Circle of Scorn.

21 seconds of Blind applied by Flash along with the fact that Flash does not break Crowd Control effects is supposed to be an important part of the Paladin's multi-target mitigation suite, but, like many of the Paladin's other advantages, encounter design and the current (player developed) meta do not allow them to make full use of them.

[RiisWolf]

I don't like that the shield swipe changes are exactly what some players who had exposure to the dark knight's reposte wanted. (They wanted it changed to an oGCD)

I also don't like that these changes nerf Swipe's pacifying power and TP regen for only a cheap increase in DPS. This literally only provides a boost for DPS and fixes virturally nothing else. I'd be lucky to see another paladin other than myself use shield bash at all.

[Reynhart]

Overpower and Unleash are meant to be balanced with Flash not Circle of Scorn.

Except that Flash can be cross-classed for the "not breaking crowd control" part, and that DA+Dark Passenger gives a better blind, since you only need one application to have a very long duration, thus, not building resistance...and also does damage.
And still, Blind doesn't offer that much mitigation compared to WAR, or even DRK with their DA+Dark Dance, yet our AoE DPS output is ridiculously low

[Xenosan]

No need for concern esteemed Warriors and Dark Knights, I don't think PLD having an AoE move would not threaten or alter just about anything. Especially for WAR. It's not just DRK/WAR AoE moves, it's the synergy of many CDs and other abilities they have that really bring-it combined with their AOE in mob packs. PLD having 1 AOE hardly bridges the gap.

I'm still holding on to hope that SE will someday adjust Royal Authority into an AOE like Flare. Dealing 340 potency (or 100 or w/e it is when non-combo'd) to the selected target, and diminishing potency to other mobs near the PLD's hitbox. PLD rotation wouldn't really change other than multi-target. I'd rather not see a damage addition to Flash. So tired of the Flash Spammage, having Flash deal damage just makes the spam more likely. RA is the lvl60 action like CoS is PLD's lvl50. It'd be like: here's your AOE reward for all your suffrage through 1-59. Would be nice for them to finally throw a rug over that carpet stain in the PLD toolkit.

Frankly though with this 3.1 Swipe change, I don't think PLD's DPS kit is something SE even bothers looking at unless we the community complain loudly and coherently (this Swipe adjustment could have been something they did y'know.. years ago.. low lvl PLD has no tank stance, difficult\ holding hate etc etc).

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

No need for concern esteemed Warriors and Dark Knights, I don't think PLD having anAoE move would not threaten or alter just about anything. Especially for WAR. It's not just DRK/WAR AoE moves, it's the synergy of many CDs and other abilities they have that really bring-it combined with their AOE in mob packs. PLD having 1 AOE hardly bridges the gap.

I'm still holding on to hope that SE will someday adjust Royal Authority into an AOE like Flare. Dealing 340 potency (or 100 or w/e it is when non-combo'd) to the selected target, and diminishing potency to other mobs near the PLD's hitbox. PLD rotation wouldn't really change other than multi-target. I'd rather not see a damage addition to Flash. So tired of the Flash Spammage, having Flash deal damage just makes the spam more likely. RA is the lvl60 action like CoS is PLD's lvl50. It'd be like: here's your AOE reward for all your suffrage through 1-59. Would be nice for them to finally throw a rug over that carpet stain in the PLD toolkit.

Frankly though with this 3.1 Swipe change, I don't think PLD's DPS kit is something SE even bothers looking at unless we the community complain loudly and coherently (this Swipe adjustment could have been something they did y'know.. years ago.. low lvl PLD has no tank stance, difficult\ holding hate etc etc).

I'm actually opposed to making Royal Authority an AoE for the reason of some encounters requiring surgical precision in regards to kill orders and stuff. I know things like Mog Ex would be a living nightmare if we couldn't prevent murdering moogles before we needed to.

On the subject of Paladin needing another AoE capability, I absolutely agree, but it needs to be something we can have the choice of using or not using that won't punish us either way.

EDIT: Actually, Square would benefit from making Shield Swipe a no TP, cone AoE, that's on a 15 second cooldown that requires an activation from receiving an attack. Keeping pacification as a crowd control option ***might*** be a touchy subject to some people, but I'd like it to apply to all mobs in the cone given just how long the cooldown timer is. Potency and Enmity, to me, is and was shaky at best so if this is ever implemented, obviously with a 15 second recast timer, both will need to be increased. It'd work like Overpower but it's still Paladin specific. Sheltron will directly benefit Paladins two-fold if this is the case. We could essentially start a pull and use Sheltron once we're finished so that it procs the cone AoE but also mitigates some damage in case we don't actually want to use Shield Swipe. I think that honestly with how much of a HUGE sweep you make with the shield doing the swipe it's easily justifiable as to why it's a cone AoE. but it still allows you to have choice and precision for content that needs precision. Other things are also going to be needed/changed, but this is honestly an obvious step in the right direction for the image and abilities of Paladin.