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    I love the changes. I would have rather seen fast blade get 10tp cheaper but switching shield swipe to ocd adds more dps and aggro. I never thought pld was in a terrable spot. The dps was a little lower if all tanks optimize there rotations. I keep up or out dps most tanks i play with that also run alex savage. Now that i get more dps im sure i will here that pld is broken when i reality people need to work on there own rotations
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    I'd say that the 3.1 adjustment is a 'good start.' It does seem like getting adjustments to PLD is like trying to push a boulder up a mountain.

    The TP adjustment is almost a nonfactor especially for those who used Swipe pre-patch as TP sustainment. still I feel we're still wanting Aggro modifier, TP adjustment, QoL fixes to utility.

    But top of my list is still AoE. I know for raiders that may not be a top concern. But imo a tank without AoE at this point in time is like a healer without an HoT/AoE heal or a DPS without a TP restore ability. I'm so surprised they figure PLD is 'fine without' at this stage of the game's life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    I'd say that the 3.1 adjustment is a 'good start.' It does seem like getting adjustments to PLD is like trying to push a boulder up a mountain.

    The TP adjustment is almost a nonfactor especially for those who used Swipe pre-patch as TP sustainment. still I feel we're still wanting Aggro modifier, TP adjustment, QoL fixes to utility.

    But top of my list is still AoE. I know for raiders that may not be a top concern. But imo a tank without AoE at this point in time is like a healer without an HoT/AoE heal or a DPS without a TP restore ability. I'm so surprised they figure PLD is 'fine without' at this stage of the game's life.
    shortening CoS to 20 second CD would be nice, maybe even buffing its potency a bit.

    alternately, make blinded enemies take slightly increased physical damage as part of blinds effect. c:
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    The changes are great. We might need more tp in long fights without jumps but we wont be able to tell that til 3.1 drops. I see alot of people on here talk about fracture. Take it off ur hotbar (its not a dps gain its a loss). Pld doesnt have the best cross skills so when i took it off my hotbar i added protect. Ill hear alot of heat saying that but it IS utility. Say ur healer dies or u have a heavy dps healer and a dps dies, upon raise u can protect them urselves without taking others away from there job/duty and without losing alot of dps. Clemency is solid if u know how to use it. Devine seal is awesome. Sheltron was just made better and when more physical busters come will make it even better. Pld ISNT and WASNT in a bad place. People just need to learn how to use there skills correct and learn to maximize there own rotations. I never have tp or hate issues. Its called skill over ilev. And ill take a skilled player at 185 then a not so skilled player at 205
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    Sandamar Delys
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    Is ladyceleste serious? Didnt you see how bad was paladin for A3 and A4? It Is ok now just because there Is enough gear.
    And i am curious to learn your super skill that avoid you some tp issue ?
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    Yes i am serious. If u need an "OP" team to clear or if u need to sac to clear, your doing something wrong or people are not pulling there own. Peoppe that blame classes are not looking at the fight right. They test every class before they put new content out. If ur saying yoshi p is wrong ur just ignorent. Its not like he took a shit mmo and made it one of the best out there. I do 700+dps in regular incounters. I do almost 600 in a1s with jumps. If plds are only hitting 400 thats there own fault not the class. Get good dont get angry
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    And u can at least spell my name right. Probably a " CT ELETIST" hahahahaha
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    Sapphidia Wulfhaven
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    Just a side note : for all those people in the thread talking about clipping Goring blade and filling the 10th GCD with Shield Swipe or Fracture... Don't do that. It's a DPS loss. It's certainly a DPS and TP loss to pad out the 10th GCD with Fracture, but it was a DPS loss to do it with the current Swipe too.

    The average potency per GCD of Goring/Royal/Royal is 220 (200 for Goring Blade combo, 230 for Royal), plus the Goring Blade dot. It doesnt matter if you clip the DoT, Goring Blade's dot does a continues 40 potency every 3 seconds as long as there's no gaps in. You don't "lose ticks" by reapplying too early, you actually lose ticks by reapplying it late and having a gap where it isnt ticking.

    If you put in a Shield Swipe you're effectively swapping out an 220 potency (average) GCD for a 210 one AND making a gap appear in the goring blade dot which reduces dps further. Same with Fracture - this is 220 potency but the DoT isnt boosted by Slashing Down.

    TLDR: Goring/Royal/Royal with no other GCD filler, clipping your Goring Blade DoT, always does more DPS than inserting a Shield Swipe or Fracture. Stop it.
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    Last edited by Sapphidia; 11-08-2015 at 04:11 AM.

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    Shield swipe will be ogcd now. Its no longer a dps loss
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    Sapphidia Wulfhaven
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyCeles View Post
    Shield swipe will be ogcd now. Its no longer a dps loss
    Exactly - you take the current optimal 9gcd rotation that doesnt include the "old" shield swipe and add in the new one off GCD. People were implying that somehow they needed to fill out a 10th GCD to stop goring blade from clipping, and with shield swipe now OFF gcd, you'll have to use fracture.

    But no, just stick to the 9GCD Goring/Royal/Royal combo, ignore fracture, and weave in the new Shield Swipe similar to how you use Spirits/Circle.
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