Thread: 3.1 PLD changes look good

mercy stroke

basically i use 1 swipe so as not to clip goring when doing goring-roh-ra rotation. now, i have 1 gcd to waste and i don't like dead air.

also, that 10 tp savings from goring is just transferred to fracture, if ever. so it's like using fast blade but with extra 70 pot on top of it instead of doing 2 fast blades before proceeding to riot blade to refresh goring blade

Originally Posted by rawker

And may i ask for suggestions on a good alt to fill 1 gcd? That's still 1 server tick put to waste and will add up if done repeatedly.

If you're really using RoH > GB > RA every time, fracture would be a tiny dps increase. You'll run out of TP faster, though, so it might be detrimental depending on the encounter. It's also a dps decrease any time you're replacing RoH combo with an extra RA combo unless my math is way off.

Using shield swipe to avoid clipping the one GB dot tick probably kept you from running out nearly as fast. Fracture is 40 more TP than shield swipe for 10 more potency.

Originally Posted by rawker

now i am forced to cross fracture so as not to clip goring dot.

Lol Clipping the DoT is more beneficial in every case compared to using Fracture. Don't be bad, do basic math. Fracture is barely worth it on WAR with a 30 second duration.

Why would you want to introduce a 220 potency move into any PLD rotation when PLDs potency rotation for even RoH>GB>RA is over 230 potency?

If you can afford it hate and mitigation-wise, you should just alternate between GB>RA>RA>GB>RA...indefinitely because that is higher potency then including RoH at all and costs less TP.

The issue with the changes are that there are a lot of IFS in them:



IF Shield Swipe doesn't require an activator and is just an ability you can use every 15 seconds with no TP cost then that is certainly......more on that later. Paladins will be slightly gimped in dungeons but I'm okay with it as long as healers are healing me enough while DPS-ing as well.

IF Shield Swipe still requires an activator, is 15 seconds recast, costs TP AND is reduced potency......it's over for Paladins because being able to limit damage was a good thing even with us being lowest DPS tank.



What people are getting caught up on is that this is, instead of a vertical improvement, a horizontal one instead. One of the good features of Paladin has now been changed for DPS instead of developing a way to keep our skills like they are while adding to our ability to overcome our own weaknesses. This is why I'm pretty much strictly opposed to this change. At the end of the day it doesn't really solve anything........and like I've said CONSTANTLY, Paladins have only received band aid fixes. It still doesn't solve the issues with our toolkit either. Clemency is still abysmal, Divine Veil is somewhat good, Sheltron is still weird, and we can't provide ourselves or the group with ways to justify our spot in raids. Even after groups have farmed better equipment they'll still laugh at certain party compositions like DRK/PLD and AST/WHM. People are literally accepting the first change they're making to jobs and that is EXTREMELY dangerous because glaring issues are still present and they haven't even hinted at fixing those. We as a community should be pushing for more changes because even if this change works out to be the best case scenario change......it's not enough.

Paladins still won't be able to lower incoming damage for the group with 100% uptime, won't be able to increase others' DPS, won't be able to maximize its own, won't be able to use the toolkit we have to overcome low item level obstacles, etc. Like I said a while ago, Paladin is still the most selfish fucking job in the game right now because of all of this.....and the developers refuse to ADEQUATELY fix the job. If Paladins aren't allowed to do any of this, what the fuck are we allowed to do? That's what people need to be asking, need to be asking the developers to fix, and need to be thinking of in the future. This "hotfix" garbage needs to stop. Actually, this isn't even a hotfix, it's been 4 months at least since issues have been known.

EDIT: I'm also over all this Main or Off tank shit too.....no tank should be explicitly forced into a role. Obviously for "optimal" encounters it's highly suggested but I shouldn't be forced into a position just because of design ideology.