How do these changes fix the issues with Paladin?

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

I never said that it was a huge DPS increase, it's just a huge buff for the skill itself, and I never said that PLD didn't need any more changes. Yeah, its DPS will still be shite compared to the other tanks even after this change, but it will be LESS shite. It's an increase. What you were basically stating is that it was a loss, which is false. I also never said that PLD only needed tweaks on the DPS side of things. I just pointed out the mistake you made about judging the change to Shield Swipe as a DPS and enmity loss since it's obviously an increase in both domains.

I'm not willing to be as easily pleased as some people. This isn't good enough to settle down and forget Paladins being mocked since 2.1 in increasing frequency meanwhile the company doesn't give a shit to fix things for all jobs yet has the time to damned near perfect 3-4 of them. It's inexcusable and "slightly better" isn't slightly better to me. I'll admit that some of my statements are slightly erroneous but just saying 'hey it's slightly less than dog shit now' isn't something that should even be uttered from people's mouths.

[Freyyy]

I'm not willing to be as easily pleased as some people. This isn't good enough to settle down and forget Paladins being mocked since 2.1 in increasing frequency meanwhile the company doesn't give a shit to fix things for all jobs yet has the time to damned near perfect 3-4 of them. It's inexcusable and "slightly better" isn't slightly better to me. I'll admit that some of my statements are slightly erroneous but just saying 'hey it's slightly less than dog shit now' isn't something that should even be uttered from people's mouths.

I'm not saying that Paladins should be pleased with that. I'm just saying that the Shield Swipe change is a buff, that's all. Yeah they need more, a lot more, but it's not because they need more that this change is negative. It's still an increase in performance at some degree. Actually I think that tank changes are gonna come in 3.2. Yoshi stated in the last interview that he wants to alleviate the differences between tanks in terms of weaknesses and strengths in order to prevent one from being almost excluded from raid content like PLD is right now or like WAR was in 2.0. We also know that they want to change the encounter design, they'll also change the damage calculation for tanks, and the accessories are gonna be reworked (they said that the new raid and token accessories from 3.2 will be much more powerful than now). The meta might change a lot in 3.2, they can't do anything to change the meta in 3.1 because it doesn't bring a new raid tier, it just adds more side content to the already established 3.0 meta.

I don't know where you saw that PLD is being mocked since 2.1... Until 2.55 it was the most popular MT and everyone loved it. PLD's fall started with 3.0 and will hopefully for all PLD mains end in 3.2 with the release of the next raid tier.

[Kyne_Lyons]

Stuff.

I've already seen 2 FCs run Double Warrior through A4S and they kill it much faster than we do with DRK/WAR. So no, you're wrong. Like, very wrong. Do you expect MT Warriors to sit in Defiance all day or something? People who clear the content don't do this. On top of that, with Double Warrior you take a Monk for Dragon Kick, and most of the time Monks have higher DPS than a Ninja, or a Dragoon anyways. Yes, this is including Disembowel and Battle Litany.

Source:
http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=21
http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=20

^The fights where DPS is actually a concern. Please get out with anecdotal logic.

[Freyyy]

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Yeah you selected parses about the best MNKs, and I can tell you that the DRKs in these groups are pretty low. Look at what really good DRKs are doing http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...pec=DarkKnight almost every A3S parses with real DRKs have the WAR being behind the DRK. You also don't seem to be taking into account the fact that in these parses, the WAR is OTing, thus doesn't need to activate his tanking stance as much as the DRK.

MNK may be the highest DPS right now but DRG and NIN both increase the DPS of everyone else in the party (DRG with Battle Litany + bringing Disembowel for the BRD/MCH, NIN with fucking Trick Attack which is awesomely awesome), and MNK utility is erased by the DRK which IS the highest MT DPS PERIOD. I hell know that a WAR isn't staying in Defiance while tanking, as much as a DRK isn't standing in Grit either. And Gritless DRK > Deliverance WAR in physical fights, that's also a known fact. The only fight where DRK isn't that high in MT DPS is A4S because there is nothing to parry except the adds. I can't believe there is still someone believing that WAR is above DRK while MTing.