How do these changes fix the issues with Paladin?

[Jpec07]

Yep... My PLD at i201 is arguably worse than my DRK at i193. :/

My 158 DRK feels like she's a better tank than my 196 PLD. DRK has an enormous AoE toolkit, mitigation that's just about as good as PLD (in some cases better), and a more compelling gameplay style.

And to agree with OP, these changes won't help that. Sure, I'll do more DPS against the mob I have targeted. But I'm not worried about that mob; I'm worried about the seven others that the BLM keeps pulling off of me. And Flash only does so much.

EDIT: I should not have to save my only offensive CD for AoE enmity or risk losing all of it. CoS doesn't do the trick without it.

[Nadirah]

they share the same timer.

You mean the global cooldown? No crap, yo u don't say... gcd ability on the gcd....

I *like* my on gcd stun. I can spam the crap out of a SIX SECOND STUN if I need to. ogcd stuns are shorter and tend to be used on cd for the damage component.

Pld tp problem is when offtanking.

After change, SS being oGCD and not being used essentially makes you bad. Free damage.

[SirPhoebos]

I *like* my on gcd stun. I can spam the crap out of a SIX SECOND STUN if I need to. ogcd stuns are shorter and tend to be used on cd for the damage component.

I would like chain stunning more if bosses were susceptible to it. The only fights where this comes in handy is Ifrit HM and I think AS3 (or so I heard.)

For me at least, I would be less bothered by PLD's lower DPS if the trade-off was you could give the Stone Cold Salute to any boss mechanic.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I would like chain stunning more if bosses were susceptible to it. The only fights where this comes in handy is Ifrit HM and I think AS3 (or so I heard.)

Don't forget the adds in Levi EX

For me at least, I would be less bothered by PLD's lower DPS if the trade-off was you could give the Stone Cold Salute to any boss mechanic.

Hopefully the change to shield swipe means that they plan to include more stunable/pacifiable actions in the future.

[Nadirah]

Truth be told, I think the LB change was meant to help out DPS options more than tanks, but despite the prolonged suffering PLD's and possibly DRK's will have to endure it might make SE see the see how lopsided WAR is favored now that the LB limitation is gone.

I'm almost certain the double class limit break change only affects solo queue able content, while the old method *plus*the three of one type rule added affects Savage (and anything else you must have a full party to queue for (Thordan).

[SwordCoheir]

I'm almost certain the double class limit break change only affects solo queue able content, while the old method *plus*the three of one type rule added affects Savage (and anything else you must have a full party to queue for (Thordan).

Yeah, I had admittedly misread it on my initial readthrough.

[Xenosan]

The LB change is meant to discourage solo tank / solo heal compositions for content going forward and back to 2.x.

One tank or one healer means three or more of another type.

[Dhex]

The LB change is meant to discourage solo tank / solo heal compositions for content going forward and back to 2.x.

One tank or one healer means three or more of another type.

Yeah this is what I gleamed from the LB changes.

[Nadirah]

Thought DRG clipped midway in their normal rotation always? Or I'm remembering wrong in my half awake state.

[LeeraSorlan]

Thought DRG clipped midway in their normal rotation always? Or I'm remembering wrong in my half awake state.

Drg clips terribly on disembowel and chaos thrust, with enough SS to get a gersko in at 23s and not drop botd, you are looking at clipping chaos thrust at around 6 or 7 seconds left using the optimal rotation.

Also pld tp problem is NOT just offtanking. Even if you spammed shield swipe for extra TP at a lower dps gain for the bulwark duration , you would still run out of tp far faster than any other class would