Quote Originally Posted by raela View Post
They sorta did this with Alex NM already, but it was out geared really quickly. Saw enrages + several wipes on my first runs though, and the forum had topics where people said they couldn't get through A4 and PF was all "experience needed."

...though even now none of these fights are a guaranteed win. Plenty of chances for DF to make everyone go splat.
I don't think it's really the same. The entire raid was face rolled in hours and any wipes you see in here are typically because people aren't paying attention to extremely basic things like picking up adds in A4 or not paying attention. There ren't any hard mechanics here, they are on the level of crystal tower difficulty if not easier.