Thread: 3.1 PLD Changes

Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

You\\'re assuming everything will stay exactly the same post-3.1, even though we know we\\'re getting sweeping changes.

Source? Why do I keep seeing this? Please tell me you are not simply referring to the melds nerf, even if you are and they straight nerf tank DPS to the ground (pro tip: not happening) PLD is still be assed out because their utility sucks.

Most likley the changes that are gonna happen is a split to tank damage with VIT actually effecting tank DPS.... But once again PLD offers no real value to a raid... Which is the core of the issue.

If you look at tanks you can break their usefulness down as such:

Raidwide mitigation
Personal mitigation
Raid utility
Personal utility
Raid DPS
Personal DPS
AoE DPS
Single target DPS
AoE emnity
Single target emnity

Right now PLD is lacking in every single category with the exception of personal mitigation.

Originally Posted by Exodus_Kenpachi

Source?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...f_tanks_in_32/

Done w/ arguing now btw, can't be bothered to have this discussion. Have fun complaining and stuff, guys.

The cries are real right now......All PLD needs is more emnity and better AoE besides heck no dps boost. That's dumb they're the tankiest of all tanks giving them dps would make them OP. Content don't match, other problem a 3rd tank added so they got kicked sorta say. Anyhow I hope the tank dps isn't balanced or any of that. It would make the tank selection boring and almost pointless in choosing.

If 210 weapons weren't gated behind A4 would PLD dps be as big of an issue? I mean if 4 dps and the tanks could get 210 weapons that would make a pretty big difference overall right - marginalizing PLDs lower damage? Just a thought

A recently leveled PLD will still have to get more gear than a WAR/DRK in order to have the same performance, unless their party is already overgeared. There's a balance issue over there and, even now, it's not going away until some changes are made. Just because it doesn't matter anymore in some situations (overgearing content), the problem is still there and can (and will) affect some players. As has been said many times we're back at what WAR suffered back in 2.0, but the other way around and with three tank jobs to choose from, instead of just two.

I've been using my DRK for a while now, but I still prefer playing with my PLD. It would be cool if I could perform equally with both given the same gear (instead of performing better with my DRK even with less gear), so that I could use my favourite job. We've been waiting for 5 months already, and 3.2 is (at least) 3 more months away. That would make 8 months with those issues being unresolved, and many new and old paladins suffering the extra effort that they need to make in order to be close to what the other two tank jobs get with less work. And I only mention 3.2 due to the gear and general dps changes, not because I think that changing the raids will solve the problem: you'll still prefer to bring the ones that make the encounter faster and easier for everyone else, unless only a PLD can survive being MT (and that would be as bad as what we have now).

PLD problem isn't dps. It's not on don't think the dps needs to be changed period. PLD needs to be the lowest in dps because it's theasy tankiest. Just the meta prefers dps over tanking. I mean WAR had this problem in the 2.0 series. They didn't even fix that really gave WAR more attacks for the most part. So when the soon to be hitting hard baddie shows up I'm confident thenough PLD will rise and depending on either magic or physical WAR or DRK will take some place in it. Only 3 problems I see with PLD. AoE, emnity, and TP issues (DRK too) they fix those PLD will be great.

Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...f_tanks_in_32/

Done w/ arguing now btw, can't be bothered to have this discussion. Have fun complaining and stuff, guys.

Lol you posted a link to a reddit with an ambiguous quote taken from the live letter about "damage calculations" and then some how equated that into "sweeping changes." I am failing to see how that will be "sweeping changes" to the tank meta.

I suspect the reason you are done argueing is becuase there is nothing left to argue.

PLD utility is poor. Plain and simple.