Thread: 3.1 PLD Changes

Originally Posted by Warlyx

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All tanks can mt/ot. But nearly every drk/pld composition i've come across has stubbornly and dutifully been forcing the pld to mt and refusing to adapt to the content.

Originally Posted by Warlyx

i think the issue is how the game has evolved..

Agreed. PLD's weaknesses are the same shortcomings they had in 2.x, but with 3.x there's been a change in the role of Tanks that make these shortcomings detrimental.

Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

I think they plan on making some sweeping adjustments to tank damage as a whole in 3.2, so now that PLD has caught up enough gear-wise they didn't feel the need to make any big changes this patch. If they start focusing less on DPS and more on mitigation for tanks then things might naturally balance themselves out.

With no DPS love for PLD I feel more reinforcement that the 3.2 Damage Adjustment is gonna be a simple DPS nerf hitting all 3 tanks equally.

Originally Posted by Syzygian

All tanks can mt/ot. But nearly every drk/pld composition i've come across has stubbornly and dutifully been forcing the pld to mt and refusing to adapt to the content.

Because it's the content that should be adapted to tanks, not the other way around.

PLD players want to keep the feeling that their job's survivability is relevant. It's one of the main reason why they picked that job to begin with.
Having the meta to be focused on tank DPS instead of survivability is in itself a way to kill the job. Now if you say that the only possible place for PLD is OT, then you make half their skills completly useless.

So, not only they loose that feeling of behing relevant because of their "tankyness", but they have no upside at being OT either... they're merely "okay" at best in the OT position.


Oh and, a lot of end game content don't have MT/OT. You either have to switch anyway or there is simply two bosses, so the argument is moot for these fights.

Originally Posted by Syzygian

Let your DRK MT.

This is something we've been toying with doing, but the fact is that PLD is going to be sub-par in either tank role. I love the class and I want to stick with it, but with no real adjustments coming I don't see how I can justify it when my raid is hurting for DPS.

Originally Posted by Ashkendor

This is something we've been toying with doing, but the fact is that PLD is going to be sub-par in either tank role. I love the class and I want to stick with it, but with no real adjustments coming I don't see how I can justify it when my raid is hurting for DPS.

Gonna be honest, if your raid is hurting for DPS at this point in the game in A3S then it's not a job choice issue. If you switch to DRK/WAR now, that DPS issue will persist in A4S and there won't be any job changing work-arounds. It's better for your group to improve than try and squirt Elmer's glue all over the problem. DRK MT/PLD OT is the best choice for that composition, you'll get higher DPS and DRK won't have any trouble holding aggro. It'll also free up your CDs quite a bit for hand phase, add phase, and the final phase.

I like how my post just magically disappeared. So I will post it again.

Anyone... And I mean anyone... Who is trying to make the argument that PLD is "fine" or to just "put them as OT" is disillusioned and has no understanding of the tanks or the tank meta in FF14.

As I have stated before (which is funny because Yoshi P seems to not understand this) that you CANNOT taylor a fight to make PLD useful. There is not a single thing you can do to make the current dumpster fire that is PLD worth bringing to a raid.

If they truly are only adjusting PLD TP issues they are taking the lazy route and letting the class rot away until maybe 3.2

I dare anyone to try and prove me wrong. Come up with ANY scenario that PLD would be preferable to DrK.

No one was saying that, at least not that i saw. I was saying that if a raid group has made it to A3s with a drk/pld comp they should just keep it but let the drk mt.

All of pld's utilities are far less clunky to use while oting and drk has some serious godmode happening with mt dps if healers can allow them to keep grit off.

Originally Posted by Syzygian

No one was saying that, at least not that i saw.

First page... The guy I was blowing up for saying to put PLD as OT and call it a day and that the class is fine and only people who bandwagon are calling for PLD buffs.

As for the all the other stuff I was saying is more in response to Yoshi P saying that they feel PLD is just in a bad spot because of current content. Which is wrong... Dead fucking wrong... Almost as wrong as saying 2.0 WAR is just fine and that people are just playing the class wrong. People need to stop looking to Yoshi P for the end all be all about balance...there have been numerous times he has said some straight up stupid shit that was then directly contradicted by his dev team.