3.1 PLD Changes

**Cheraa** · 11-10-2015 07:44 PM

It is not as bad as in FF XI.
But yes, Paladin is in a bad spot.
As long as Warrior, in it's current state is a better Tank and a better DPS than us, in any current Content of 3.x.
Even Dark Knight is only slightly weaker agains Physical DMG than us, but therefor better in taking magical DMG...well ofc. his DPS is way higher than ours.

Paladin is meant to be:

- Best Tank
- Lowest Tank DPS

Actually we are not the best Tank (it is Warrior), but we are the Tank with the lowest DPS (Reason?!?).

**Cheraa** · 11-10-2015 07:48 PM

Than we should rename Warrior to Paldin and Paladin to Warrior? Because currently, Warrior can heal himself way, way, way, way better, than Paladin.
Actually we have a crappy Heal (Clemency) and a medicore Divine Veil (that gives an absorb to the raid but not us). Damn Warrior is even a better Raid Supporter than us.

**Reynhart** · 11-10-2015 07:58 PM

If we're looking at the past of the franchise, PLD should have been the self-healing tank.
But, scratch that, this is FFXIV, not "mandatory Final Fantasy concepts"

Problem is, in 1.x, PLD WAS the self-healing, self-sufficient tank. The only real downside was a garbage enmity generation...and WAR damage that was even better than actual DPS jobs...
And still, lorewise, PLD is the tank that dwells in magic, requiring the basic knowledge of healing from its CNJ training.

And, if they don't want to make it a self-sufficient MT, make it a really potent back-up healer as an OT. Make Clemency's potency increase based on the target's enmity, and they would become the very best friend of any WAR or DRK..and, judging by the animation, Sheltron should block any attack in front of you, even if you're not the target, and even on AoE.

**Cheraa** · 11-10-2015 09:48 PM

Oh yeah. Clemency with 1.5 sec Casttime would really be sooo overpowered. I could heal the entire Raid myself until...

...oh wait, I'm out of Mana after two Clemency? Can't heal again for ~6-7 GCD.
Clemency with 1.5 sec Casttime would be a great tool against Magical DMG and to WTF heal a DD/Heal/MT at 20% HP left.

**Jonnycbad** · 11-11-2015 12:50 AM

Did the changes to PLD make Shield Swipe an oGCD without needing to proc? Or, in addition to a 15sec recast, it also requires a successful shield block to proc. If it does need proc, then eh, I guess it's fine-but makes it worthless when offtanking.

**Isius** · 11-11-2015 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Did the changes to PLD make Shield Swipe an oGCD without needing to proc? Or, in addition to a 15sec recast, it also requires a successful shield block to proc. If it does need proc, then eh, I guess it's fine-but makes it worthless when offtanking.

still needs a block proc

**Jpec07** · 11-11-2015 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Isius

still needs a block proc

So it's functionally very similar to Reprisal.

**Isius** · 11-11-2015 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Jpec07

So it's functionally very similar to Reprisal.

I would say Reprisal is functionally better.

pot is about the same:

3 x swipes = 450 pot extra per minute

2 x reprisals = 420 pot extra per minute

but with darkness up all the time 2 reprisals will likely do more dps then 3 swipes, someone else can do the math for that

swipe gets pacify while reprisal gets -10% dmg down

swipe would be better for normal dungeon runs, while reprisal would be good with most of savage.

overall reprisal is better, similar in activition requirements but not the same in strength or utility.

**Arkenne** · 11-11-2015 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Isius

3 x swipes = 450 pot extra per minute

2 x reprisals = 420 pot extra per minute

Huh? Why 3? It should be 4... 2 guaranteed under control because of Sheltron, and 1 with a very high chance of proc because of Bulwark... at least in the offensive department Shield Swipe does beat Reprisal for quite the margin :/

**Jonnycbad** · 11-11-2015 01:09 AM

Yeah, a more active version of reprisal. Sucks that it needs a proc, it would have been fun bashing things every 15 seconds when Offtanking as an added oGCD damage ability like Spirits Within.

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