Bad/casual players with worse attitudes than the good "elitist" players

[dank1]

Explain this to me, why is it that the players who think they're good (but are actually bad) are the ones who develop worse attitudes than the good players that everyone refers to as "elitists" in this game?
PF is toxic on my server filled with players performing horribly with no real understanding of mechanics spewing venom at the wrong people when a run goes bad only because the person actually messing up is most the time also calling people out with them, I tend to notice these players to be the ones who just got their first clear in whatever content I'm doing or fairly close to clearing.

I've seen this happen in Ravana a lot which is the content I mostly PF just to help newer players get their first clear (this is me being a tank)

An example of this, I usually have my good whm static healer friend (he and I have way more totems than we can ever care for and only do this to kill time so wipes/bad gameplay aren't issues to us) with me helping newer people when all of the sudden people are dying to mechanics and he gets the other healer raging at him for "lack of heals" when people are standing in the fire, all while the same DPS messing up mechanics are the ones shouting at lack of heals and my WHM friend having not only top HPS but also decent DPS as well, how does this happen? and why are the bad players so toxic?

[StrejdaTom]

Because this game and its community protects them?

[Lambdafish]

Because these players have been conditioned to get what they want, they have beaten most of the content up to this point either through being carried or the content being nerfed, so they have been taught that they are good because they can beat all content, and cant do wrong despite not actually being as good as they think. I had this in a Shiva EX a while back when the tank slipped and the bow was facing the wrong way (to the side) and it killed half the party, of course everyone raged at the tank, and I was sat there like "well you could have watched and moved, I did".

[PSirebral]

Because players are so absolutely sure of themselves always being right and absolutely infallible. This is the kind of crap you'll see across every game. In FPS if someone kills you they are a hacker, and MOBAs are the same as MMOs. There is no fear of being punched in the face or any sort of real consequences so you will see venom spewed left and right in most video games. It will ALWAYS be someone else's fault. Sometimes I crack under pressure and act like a punk too but I try to just ignore them. Haters gonna hate and otters gonna ott.

[Slappah]

I think part of the reason is that ps4 is a pretty big part of this games playerbase and majority of them have absolutely NO clue how much dps they actually do.

They think their hot shit when in reality they are doing less than that 'meh' geared paladin in shield oath. So they keep doing what their doing, thinking it's all good.

This is only part of it. There are tons of different reasons for this happening.

Basically I'll leave it at "bads will be bad"

[Archaell]

When you lose you get no rewards.

[Eothas]

From my experience, most of the time, people with bad attitude play horrible and try to shift blame to others, usually the one to start blaming people and calling names is the problem. Of course, there is good players that are jerks, but most of the time its the bad players that think they are good.

Just look any ranked system in any MOBA ever (LoL, DotA, etc...), lower ranking matches will most of the time have a more "toxic" environment than higher ranks.

[dank1]

I think part of the reason is that ps4 is a pretty big part of this games playerbase and majority of them have absolutely NO clue how much dps they actually do.

They think their hot shit when in reality they are doing less than that 'meh' geared paladin in shield oath. So they keep doing what their doing, thinking it's all good.

This is only part of it. There are tons of different reasons for this happening.

Basically I'll leave it at "bads will be bad"

Because this game and its community protects them?

I hate to say and admit that sadly this is true, with no real way gauge others' and their own performance people are shouting non sense all over the place without having numbers in their face and are also immune to the fact that if they do get numbers put in their face by the person defending their-self they'll get harassed even further and threatened with being reported.

[Kat_Manx]

Actually, sort of as you were mentioning, I find that it isn't bad player vs. elitists, but rather that the elitists ARE the bad players.

They might have cleared some difficult content, I just really have no idea how. Maybe their Free Company helped them or something. Then they come into some dungeon, miss a basic mechanic and then blame someone else on it with sentences like "Please go kill yourself in real life."

Then the other person, who did nothing wrong might obviously get upset, and then THEIR retaliation is considered the "bad" part about this.

5 minutes later the elitist is on a forum complaining how he was giving "constructive criticism" and just nobody happened to listen to him. /rollseyes

[Marxam]

why are the bad players so toxic?

Because new gamers are spoiled and haven't lived through what we have. Remember lugging around your pc to a friend's house just so you can play in multiplayer LAN games like Age of Empires or Counter Strike together? or playing fighting games with your buddies on the couch nudging shoulders to try and distract them? I lived through these days and its what shaped me as a gamer today.

The new gamers are born with online and lack the human interaction we once had. Therefore they lack any social compassion or obligation to anyone else simply because "they will never see them again". Here's the facts though, you will see these people again and more often than not your name will most likely be shamed, be it in ls or fc chats and thus you will have a more miserable time in this game or any game that makes you work with other people. Also bad players who don't want to become better or take advice/criticism gets blacklisted immediately by me.