Are Garleans a Type of Hyur?

[Kaiser-Ace]

The human enemies in FFXIII used a "manadrive" to simulate the casting of magic, which was otherwise only usable by l'Cie. My memory may be foggy, but I feel like I've seen Garlean units with attacks that seem to use the same basic idea.

That's a combination of Magitech and Latent Aetheric power. Remember alot of the conscripts ARE Eorzian but not necessarily capable of using magic proficiently. Where as the pure bloods can't use it at all.

[Warr_of_Lint]

It could be that the armor built around their third eye was just decorative. Since their third eye is a distinguishing feature when compared to other races, it makes sense that their motifs emphasize it.

I'm not sure if I would call them hyur(ish) either. I always thought that female Garleans, the two (maybe more) instances we've seen them unmasked, looked elezen with round ears.

Male Garleans, on the other hand, could pass for hyur--some of them. Nero is tall and looks a little on the lanky side, but I can't really decide because of his clothing and armor. Cid is just as hunkalicious as a hyur highlander. But the emperor... I think he might be a shaved gorilla with good posture.

[Rhodkr]

I actually have a kinda strange theory about why they can't cast magic. I wonder if they are descended from allageans but only the allageans that were part of the summoners. I recall something about the summoners having a conflict with the empire and brig delt with, don't remember the actual story behind it and I'm probably remembering wrong.

Anyway, my theory is that since the allags are good with genetic modification. Would the empire have punished the original summoners by taking away their ability to cast said magic so they couldn't oppose them again?

Again I'm probably completely wrong but, eh that's what crackpot theory's are!

[ChocoFeru]

a genetic defect that prevents them from using magic.

But I've seen garleans with Staffs and casting Fire and stuff o_O maybe these weren't "pure blood"?

[Cilia]

But I've seen garleans with Staffs and casting Fire and stuff o_O maybe these weren't "pure blood"?

Any Garlean soldier using outright magic is a conscript from a conquered territory.

[Anonymoose]

A-HAAA! I knew I had something. I kept racking my brain, sure that I'd seen something somewhere that made me note the Garleans as "probably a unique race" for the time being. I wasn't looking at the right interview!

MCKF: You look at the Garleans and again, the Garleans are a different race, the pure-blood ones with the third eye. But when you look at the army they have people of all races because they go and subjugate a nation and tell people they can gain citizenship if you join our army and prove your worth. So that’s why you have so many soldiers that are Elezen, because all the real Garleans are back home ruling while their conscripts conquer the land, sometimes using the magic that they can’t.

Of course, this may not be the whole truth (or even the truth as much as what Eorzeans believe at this time), but it's a solid starting assumption.

The mileage on those interviews, tho! <3

[VargasVermillion]

I don't think wearing that armor is enough to classify an enemy as "pureblood Garlean" imo. We have at least one case of a non-pureblood Garlean enemy with that model. Sylla mal Albinus of "Scared Sylla" FATE in Azys Lla shares the Centurion model but casts an actual "Cure" spell which discounts him from being pureblood.

Well I did say 'usually' garlemald provides higher status to those who earn it regardless of race, but out of the enemies we actually fight in game that are garlean purebloods they are always an officer rank and in the iconic armor of their nation, and typically they only use auto attacks and the occasional fast blade, one fate boss i faced that was a generic garlean 'hyur' (that was made larger) soldier in model but is assumed to be a pureblood didn't cast spells, was the one in east shroud I believe.

Oh yeah and they even have a unique voice over, go through praetorium solo and kill a few of them and you'll see what i mean.

[Rocl]

[QUOTE=VargasVermillion;3409773]Well I did say 'usually' garlemald provides higher status to those who earn it regardless of race,[/spoiler]
While this is mostly true, I think we should view Gaius' promotion of Arvina as an exception. Though Sylla is simply a "senior magitek technician" so I doubt his standing in the military is really that unbelievable.

but out of the enemies we actually fight in game that are garlean purebloods they are always an officer rank and in the iconic armor of their nation, and typically they only use auto attacks and the occasional fast blade,

Yeah, this is definitely true of most 'centurion' type Garleans. Though I'm fairly certain the ones in later quests use the full gambit of Lv50 Gladiator abilities.

one fate boss i faced that was a generic garlean 'hyur' (that was made larger) soldier in model but is assumed to be a pureblood didn't cast spells, was the one in east shroud I believe.

I think you might be a little mistaken. That should be Aulus Rem Vulso, and as I recall he had the basic pot-helm / robe motif going on. Though it's also equally possible I'm mistaken! It's been a while since I did that one.

Oh yeah and they even have a unique voice over, go through praetorium solo and kill a few of them and you'll see what i mean.

This is actually tied to the monster model as far as I can tell, so I mean you're definitely right!, but it's interesting since again my favourite obsession Sylla does this and is discounted from being pureblood by our current knowledge. It also existed in 1.0, and upon digging up an old 1.0 Imperial Invasion screenshot I have, it looks like their "third eye window" wasn't present then! Though the angle is rough on that front, just makes me wonder if it was added to differentiate Garleans from Hyur inbetween 1.0 and 2.0.

[myahele]

Even before Heavensward some people speculated that some of the beast tribes were modified and/or created by the ancient allagans.

We know they don't have problems with modifying themselves as seen with Phlegethon, Xande and all the rest. So it would not surprise me if they experimented with the proto-Garleans. My best guess it that either the 3rd eye was suppose to be special (like most 3rd eye) by the generations slowly lost it's special powers. Or it was always meant to control the masses via stripping them of naturally manipulating aether. Afterall, aether manipulation is the basis of most jobs/class

From the garleans we've seen so far the males have a highlander-esque appearance to them; while the females are a lot more lean and share similarities to female elezens.

[VargasVermillion]

I think you might be a little mistaken. That should be Aulus Rem Vulso, and as I recall he had the basic pot-helm / robe motif going on. Though it's also equally possible I'm mistaken! It's been a while since I did that one.

You weren't mistaken, my point was that he was in generic uniform yet not using spells or magic based skills implying that he was a pureblood without the officers uniform the model was technically a male midlander hoplomachus that was made slightly taller than a highlander male. Another example of these purebloods are the centurions in keeper of the lake and are again much taller than the other hyurs but in generic garlean uniform and only use very basic GLD abilities.