JP server player is calling us out. Step up, NA endgamers.

[Nadirah]

I gotta say, the last time I tried to say its the community's job to help teach people how to play, I got told off.

Which says something about our players.

[Whiteroom]

I gotta say, the last time I tried to say its the community's job to help teach people how to play, I got told off.

Which says something about our players.

Because it is far from their job.

Does it benefit the community? Yes.

Is it their responsibility? No.

Is it the individual players responsibility to try to improve themselves? No, but much more so than the responsibility of the rest of the community.

The community, at least a good portion seems to have an "everyone must carry me!" attitude.

The bulk of the responsibility for a persons play, comes from that person.

But to your point, who do you think puts out all of those videos and guides that it's no ones responsibility to watch. Members of the "Community" is who.

It is extremely insulting, selfish, entitled and all kinds of words like that to say "You know something I don't, it's your job to help me!", when you should be saying "I don't know this, please teach me." Maybe that is part of the difference in communities?

[hagare]

Because it is far from their job.

Does it benefit the community? Yes.

Is it their responsibility? No.

Is it the individual players responsibility to try to improve themselves? No, but much more so than the responsibility of the rest of the community.

The community, at least a good portion seems to have an "everyone must carry me!" attitude.

The bulk of the responsibility for a persons play, comes from that person.

But to your point, who do you think puts out all of those videos and guides that it's no ones responsibility to watch. Members of the "Community" is who.

well.... if you want your community to be better.
Then the responsibility is on everyone in that community to be willing to teach and learn.
If we all keep the mentality "it ain't my job, let someone else do it" then yea........
change the "ME! ME! ME!" attitude to "WE! WE! WE!"

[Ashkendor]

well.... if you want your community to be better.
Then the responsibility is on everyone in that community to be willing to teach and learn.
If we all keep the mentality "it ain't my job, let someone else do it" then yea........
change the "ME! ME! ME!" attitude to "WE! WE! WE!"

That's the key there. There's selfishness and bad attitudes on both sides. If people are that interested in clearing content, they really need to do some footwork of their own instead of leaving it all to the rest of the party to tell them what to do. They need to be proficient in the class they want to play as well as have at least a basic idea what's going to happen in the content. One person going in completely blind has the potential to be an enormous setback for the other seven people even if it's a learning party. It's a selfish thing to do. The very least you can do is read/watch a guide. On the other side of things, yes there are situations where people are rigid in their expectations for other players. If someone has done their research and is giving an honest try, I have absolutely no problem with wiping a few times while they get a handle on a tricky mechanic as long as the party is making progress.

I actually really enjoy going into content with people to help them learn. I've done tons of it and will probably keep on doing tons more because first clears are just fun to be part of. But seriously, if the party says "farm," don't try to ninja into it. It's rude. :c

Too much NIMBY.

Take my like for this reference. Even though it makes me feel old. xD

[Lewtskie]

well.... if you want your community to be better.
Then the responsibility is on everyone in that community to be willing to teach and learn.
If we all keep the mentality "it ain't my job, let someone else do it" then yea........
change the "ME! ME! ME!" attitude to "WE! WE! WE!"

Why is one extreme good and the other bad? No offense, but that's just as ignorant. Are you to say that one should never put any time to improving themselves and only improve everyone else? Am I to rely on someone else to help me improve? When it's about yourself, there is only yourself. When it's about everyone else, then you have a couple hundred, to a thousand, to a million. Who's turn is it to get the help to improve? Obviously I couldn't do it myself since I'm always having to help someone else improve. So do I have to take a ticket? Get in a line?

[hagare]

Why is one extreme good and the other bad? No offense, but that's just as ignorant. Are you to say that one should never put any time to improving themselves and only improve everyone else? Am I to rely on someone else to help me improve? When it's about yourself, there is only yourself. When it's about everyone else, then you have a couple hundred, to a thousand, to a million. Who's turn is it to get the help to improve? Obviously I couldn't do it myself since I'm always having to help someone else improve. So do I have to take a ticket? Get in a line?

*COUGH*
willing to teach and learn

PS: you do realize that WE also includes ME right.

[Lewtskie]

*COUGH*
willing to teach and learn

PS: you do realize that WE also includes ME right.

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

[hagare]

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

you're saying I'm putting things in the extreme when you're the one doing so?
I'm pretty sure you can pick when and how to do things.
When to help others and when to help yourself.
teach what you can, learn what you can't.
helping people does not mean being a doormat.
teaching people also refreshes your knowledge about the teaching material.
Maybe you won't be the one to change the community, but why don't you be the one to start?

PS: they're sure because numbers don't lie.
have you seen the number of clears between NA, JP and EU?

[Klamor]

Still stands, when is it my time? If I only have an hour to play do I need to flip a coin on improving myself or someone else? Who comes first? If it's me, then people complain I'm being selfish. If I'm always putting someone else in front them I'm never improving. You people seem to be sure how this works out so I'd love to know what the actual structure is to making everything all happy and perfect.

It seems like the general consensus would just be that if you don't have time, that's fine. The problem is when you're looking out for #1, but being a dick about it. I don't think many people would be upset if you just said "Nah, I don't really have time to help you out right now. Another time, maybe?" That's kind of the issue on both sides though. People have things to do, but most things can be handled without being shitty to each other.