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    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    At least it is 99% now that the WoD really is derplander. Puts all those CGI videos in perspective, doesn't it?

    I hope it is more complicated than tempered by a primal or posessed by an Ascian. We need genuinely, but not cartoonishly, evil bad guys like Thordan. He was awesome.
    Well... maybe. The curious thing is that Derplander changed to DRG during the Heavensward FMV, but Darklander is apparently still a WAR. This is part of why I proposed a continuum shift hypothesis, but that's really complicated...

    Thordan was... OK as a villain. His shift to villainy was pretty well foreshadowed, and his intentions were good enough (or so he would have us believe). The main problem with him I have is that he takes far too long to step onto center stage, and by the time he does so it's not really necessary, so he antagonized us for no real reason beyond a lust for power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    Though I would like to point out that when there was wild speculation about what Dalamud was in 1.0, someone managed to hit the nail on the head with their speculaton. xD
    No offense, but you'll have to forgive me for being unimpressed if it was after the Nael fight. He was shooting Mega Flares an' stuff...

    If they got it before then, I would congratulate them on successfully making a shot in the dark.
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    Last edited by Cilia; 11-05-2015 at 05:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    Well... maybe. The curious thing is that Derplander changed to DRG during the Heavensward FMV, but Darklander is apparently still a WAR. This is part of why I proposed a continuum shift hypothesis, but that's really complicated...
    The fact that we see both Derpy and the WoD in the same trailer with different classes is, for me, an indicator they might not be the same. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I see them as two different people. I'm actually in favor with the 'copy'- and 'just an adventurer who got dragged into the game'-theories, even though that smile from Roe-PLD is a bit too psychotic for my taste to believe they are genuinely kind people...
    Let's see what 3.1 brings, its right around the corner now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia
    Thordan was... OK as a villain. His shift to villainy was pretty well foreshadowed, and his intentions were good enough (or so he would have us believe). The main problem with him I have is that he takes far too long to step onto center stage, and by the time he does so it's not really necessary, so he antagonized us for no real reason beyond a lust for power.
    Actually, I never believed he ment well at heart. Sorry, but for me, 'becomming god king' just doesn't spell 'well-intending extremist', which would be the closest trope here, I guess. As you said yourself, he was pretty power hungry and that's never a 'good' trait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    The fact that we see both Derpy and the WoD in the same trailer with different classes is, for me, an indicator they might not be the same. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I see them as two different people. I'm actually in favor with the 'copy'- and 'just an adventurer who got dragged into the game'-theories, even though that smile from Roe-PLD is a bit too psychotic for my taste to believe they are genuinely kind people...
    Ehh... I'm pretty sure Derplander and Darklander are different characters. Derplander continues to be our stand-in for official trailers and videos, and since our class is mutable we can't actually fight during cutscenes. Darklander is shown fighting Ravana as a WAR (in single combat, no less!), so I'm fairly confident they are different characters.

    I'm all for the "another adventurer" angle, but the "evil clone" thing would be kind of a let-down. To me, at least.

    Broegadyn's smile is a bit unsettling, but we have no context for it yet. Perhaps he just likes fighting and was interested to see something new out of Y'shtola. Broegadyn Zaraki!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yuyuka3 View Post
    Actually, I never believed he ment well at heart. Sorry, but for me, 'becomming god king' just doesn't spell 'well-intending extremist', which would be the closest trope here, I guess. As you said yourself, he was pretty power hungry and that's never a 'good' trait.
    While his intentions were good (freeing Ishgard from Nidhogg's eternal torment), the methods he intended to use (becoming a primal and enforcing an iron rule) were not.

    ... a moot point, really. Were it not for his lust for power, we probably could have become friends like we did with the other city-state leaders. By the time he actually puts his plans into motion they are largely unnecessary, though, showing his true end was not to free Ishgard (since we just did that) but to gain power, no matter how he tried to justify it to himself.
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    What if the guy in the CGI trailers is darklander and having us represented in the patch trailers by derplander is just a red herring? Sure, darklander is supposed to be a dragoon now, but well he is using the same armory system that the WoL, Joy, and Godbert all use
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    I find it unlikely. Assuming that the Warriors of Darkness are the Warriors of Light before the fall of Dalamud is straight up saying that Legacy players are the Warriors of Darkness.
    And the idea of us being the only ones to came back and our other WoL companions (implied as the ones in the CGI trailers) have lost their way I don't agree with, since the WoL in the CGI trailers are representatives to fill our role.

    I believe they're different people though, using the same appearance as the WoL in the CGI, and I do believe Derplander will still be representing us as the WoL in trailers, but as a DRG.
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