I had this dream..

[nickyblaze]

Why can't making BIS be a process with all 3 disciplines? I don't want to make the best in "2 minutes" that's no challenge. my point is that they give away gear, even heavensward quests they give gear out for free! I wanted to get into crafting right away, would have thought the new gear would be worth something, nope, do a 3 minute quest and here's your current level armor

Raiders raid for the best gear, crafters craft gear to go collect leather, we might as well play 2 different games.
Why cant i help make that gear? Why am I left out? all I'm good for is making your food and soon to be able to meld your armor, woooo lucky me!

Has anyone ever requested a meld from you? Try doing 5 jewels in a row to the 5th materia, see how much "fun" that is.

[Sollux]

Why can't making BIS be a process with all 3 disciplines?

Because then there would be complaints that people feel forced to play something they don't want to if they want to be the best at the class they DO want to play. The free gear comes from 1-time quests and aren't infinite. This was only really an issue straight out the door of HW, but at the same time there were very few Crafters who could even make that gear at the time. Sure, the ones that could Craft the gear would have made a killing, but at the same time Combat classes would have felt stunted in their progress because the mobs were tougher than they used to be and they couldn't afford better versions of their gear.

I won't deny that their needs to be some inter-dependency between the disciplines, but at the same time I want to be able to further my own class's Progression without feeling forced to level another class to do so. I felt that way when I was Crafting 2-Stars out the gate. I HATE Gathering with a passion, but I didn't HAVE to Gather the materials myself, I could have used sales from my Crafting to buy them. 3.1 is introducing a new way to Gather Red Scrip materials through Combat which I personally welcome as a nice change of pace from Gathering and a good potential money-maker for pure Combat classes.

Yoshi has stated that Crafted gear will never again be BIS for Combat and I agree, but it doesn't mean they won't make it 2nd BIS, and I think that's what they'll be going for come 3.2. And to answer your melding question yes, I have sat there for 10-20m doing multiple overmelds. Did I enjoy it? No, but I do it for free because I've BEEN in that situation before, and I know that no matter how frustrated I might be at the length of time it takes to meld that item, the person who has millions of gil exploding in their face is MUCH more frustrated than I am.

[CookieMonsta]

Why can't making BIS be a process with all 3 disciplines? I don't want to make the best in "2 minutes" that's no challenge. my point is that they give away gear, even heavensward quests they give gear out for free! I wanted to get into crafting right away, would have thought the new gear would be worth something, nope, do a 3 minute quest and here's your current level armor

Raiders raid for the best gear, crafters craft gear to go collect leather, we might as well play 2 different games.
Why cant i help make that gear? Why am I left out? all I'm good for is making your food and soon to be able to meld your armor, woooo lucky me!

Has anyone ever requested a meld from you? Try doing 5 jewels in a row to the 5th materia, see how much "fun" that is.

Lol dude, did you seriously just ask the one person who has all BiS on all crafters how painful it is to meld? Have a look at Ailandi's gear sometime.

[nickyblaze]

You're not forced to level any class you don't want to, nobody's telling you to, if you want to be a raider go ahead, if you don't want to craft than get a crafter in your fc, that crafter should need your help and you should need that crafters help, right now the crafter is useless. This is a team game, why should teams be limited to your raid static? My team is the company workshop, 4 crafters, 3/4 can be level 1 not wearing any armor and have a level 1 weapon, real challenge, thanks

They changed the systems and made the time I put into it a complete waste. Take a look at crafters BIS fighter gear on the mb, they don't exist! After being out for however long, nobody's made them, I grinded for those books to have over 50 recipes to be complete trash.

Well now I'm being forced to raid because crafting dead. Raid gear is BIS, than eso gear than technically crafters gear, but since it's not practical, law gear is next and crafter gear is garbage, gg.

[Sollux]

Well now I'm being forced to raid because crafting dead. Raid gear is BIS, than eso gear than technically crafters gear, but since it's not practical, law gear is next and crafter gear is garbage, gg.

You're not being forced to Raid, but you FEEL like you are, and that's EXACTLY how other players would feel if they needed each discipline leveled to a certain extent to reach optimal Endgame. Your case is the exact opposite in that you're frustrated that you can't use the other classes you've leveled to help reach BIS on your Combat class and while I can see where you're coming from in that regard, the majority of the playerbase would rather be able to reach their Endgame without the need to level other classes.

Crafting isn't dead, you just don't see any benefit from it right now. Raid gear will ALWAYS be BIS for Combat classes, and the Crafted Combat gear isn't completely useless, it can be great catch-up gear. If you take the time to look at stat weights for some of the classes then you'll find that a few properly melded i180 Combat pieces actually beat their respective i190 Gordian gear. I know for a fact this is true for the BRD Crafted i180 Headpiece, Chestpiece, and Gloves, and the MNK Crafted i180 gloves actually edge out their Eso gloves in terms of raw DPS gain.

Crafters will NEVER be useless. Just because we can't supply near-Endgame Combat gear doesn't mean we can't still contribute to our FC or a static, even if it's only through food, pots, or gear to help jump-start an alt into AS1. Again, the only thing I'll agree with you on is the scarcity of the Crafted Combat gear itself and the length of time it takes to craft versus how long it will actually be useful. The rest is just your opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt.

[nickyblaze]

imagine gatherers not having the stealth skill, they'd have to party up with dow/m to gather, encourage team play. Everybody benefits for what's gathered cause the gatherer can't gather alone. Gatherer directs the party and the roll of dow/m stays the same. the loot ends up back at the fc and can be used to make everyone's gear. And perhaps raiders can raid in this gear and can get upgrades after beating raids to improve the armor.

Crafters make the armor, maybe beating ravana you can use the ravana forewing to buff it 10 ilvl to 190, maybe a1s can enchant it to 200 and give it a different glow, make it unique,

I gather as well, it's limited to a loop of nodes, nothing changes, nothing eventful, timed nodes are timed, always in the same slot, no surprise nodes, no fear of getting attacked cause of stealth. Has a gatherer ever been in a party with dow/m? Again where is the team spirit? :/

Maybe it's just me that enjoys a well rounded team effort outside the battlefield

[nickyblaze]

Lol dude, did you seriously just ask the one person who has all BiS on all crafters how painful it is to meld? Have a look at Ailandi's gear sometime.

Lol dude, "request meld" ie has nothing to do with his or her own gear. I can be level 60 with a level 1 weapon to meld, has nothing to do with own gear.