Can we have iLv Requirements for story content?

[Archaell]

I never had problems holding hate in Library against level 60 players in full Alex gear on my PLD while leveling, maybe you need to work on your rotation? idk

Maybe you are too good for your own good. Here take a cookie.

[Ashkendor]

I never had problems holding hate in Library against level 60 players in full Alex gear on my PLD while leveling, maybe you need to work on your rotation? idk

Or maybe those DPS players were bad. Maybe they just knew how to hold back for an undergeared tank.

Without context, your statement is meaningless.

[vio_p]

The gear itself doesn't make a player good its how they play the class itself. looking at tanks specifically how many do you guys even think are out there that don't even realise they should try to keep the mobs still so that classes with positional attacks for better dps. I know some of you may argue that its down to the dps to make sure they hit the right area of the mobs but that takes time especially with tanks dancing around with ants in their pants. I've seen several ninja's including myself once or twice miss a suiton to get the damage increase buff up on mobs cos right as they go to hit it, the tank decides to rotate the mob :/

I'd rather the dungeons stay as they are. They aren't really difficult and with the incoming changes the amount of dps required to kill the mobs should change, not to mention that players go into dungeons under geared but they also use those dungeons to gear up, especially if they are poor or levelling other classes.

[Sicno]

The gear itself doesn't make a player good its how they play the class itself.

No skill can save a tank in Brayflox wearing a full set of lvl 15 gear.

[Archaell]

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Gear doesn't make good players, that's true, but it makes bad players a little bit less bad. Or to be more specific - it improves their contribution.

I believe the incoming changes are partialy the result of players not understanding the importance of gear in RPG game. If somebody does not gear up due to lack of gil, they are free to earn it. I started this game in July and since I picked up botanist I had more cash than I could spend during leveling. If players want to save gil, well they can farm dungeons in their iLevel range, where it doesn't create issues for their party members.

If everybody ignored gear (tanks and healers included) then we would have even more problems in DF groups and harder nerfs coming.

[Catwho]

There ARE some minimum iLvl checks in story content. You can't do the Singularity Reactor until you're iLvl 142.

Do there need to be more? Perhaps.

[Dante_V]

Lots of hyperbole and exaggeration. I'm currently working on my 4th and 5th classes to 60 and have never once seen a person with an average i90 ilvl in the library. Maybe a piece of i90 gear but that isn't enough to make or break anything. Just about every single one of these dungeons can be completed in ilvl 130 gear fairly easily.

There's also the fact that ilvl isn't an accurate of stat allocation. There are some 130 pieces that have greater stat weights than higher ilvl pieces. In fact most of the poetics gear doesn't even become outdated until 55 -57 dungeon range but even then it's negligible.

[Pells]

Lots of hyperbole and exaggeration. I'm currently working on my 4th and 5th classes to 60 and have never once seen a person with an average i90 ilvl in the library. Maybe a piece of i90 gear but that isn't enough to make or break anything. Just about every single one of these dungeons can be completed in ilvl 130 gear fairly easily.

There's also the fact that ilvl isn't an accurate of stat allocation. There are some 130 pieces that have greater stat weights than higher ilvl pieces. In fact most of the poetics gear doesn't even become outdated until 55 -57 dungeon range but even then it's negligible.

This would be because the level 51 dungeon drops ilvl 120, and the level 53 dungeon drops ilvl 130. So yes, ilvl 130 poetic gear doesn't become outdated until after these two: the level 55 dungeon drops ilvl 136. The ilvl on leveling gear in Heavensward is accurate enough in regards to stat allocation.

[Sicno]

A few times I've seen or heard of situations with people being ridiculously undergeared for what they're running. Last I got to see myself was a healer in Cutter's Cry wearing a cracked shepherd's belt, which is simply a mat used by crafters to turn into... a vintage gatherer's belt. So no stats at all. He was also wearing a vit necklace. Funny enough the tank was getting hasty and asked if he could do big pulls, and that healer said that he could heal anything with no problem. Turns out he couldn't.

Like that there are many other stories that happen with ridiculously undergeared players, or people who have no idea what they're wearing. They may not be that common, but they still happen. And with such a lack of knowledge or care about their gear I don't expect them to be good enough players to make up for that disadvantage. I don't expect such a stiff limit in gear, maybe to use gear that is at least competent for the previous 1 or 2 dungeons. Accessories could still have some freedom, but left side should have an expected minimum.

[Archaell]

A few times I've seen or heard of situations with people being ridiculously undergeared for what they're running. Last I got to see myself was a healer in Cutter's Cry wearing a cracked shepherd's belt, which is simply a mat used by crafters to turn into... a vintage gatherer's belt. So no stats at all..

I have seen many players in Stone Vigil wearing the craps from chests. Also I had a healer once in SV who had the battlemage chest piece, level 20 hat and the rest were items with control. Funny run as I was synced paladin with stoneskin, but I dread to imagine how would they heal a tank wearing leveling gear in garuda normal... not to mention similarly geared tank in awesome no stat gear.