Would Clemency by OP as insta cast?

[Archaell]

Hey there. I would like to ask if you would consider instant Clemency to be overpowered?

Imo the main problem with this skill is the cast time. Be it the fact that mobs are hitting your face, or be it the annoying length of it. I would really like to use this skill more often, but stoneskin is usually better option, because most of the time before I heal somebody that person had been already healed by the healers... so much wasted MP for nothing is definitely not enjoyable experience.

I wouldn't even mind if the skill had short CD to compensate for the insta cast.

[SwordCoheir]

TBH not really considering the extremely high mp cost only let's us cast twice before we're low on mp. Not to mention we have other abilities and spells that utilize mp so we can't just spam it.

[Freyyy]

I think that the casting animation is cool I'd personally like it to remain. But they should lower it to 1 or 1.5sec so that it would be faster than a healer's cure and would actually work as an emergency healing tool. It would also render it more difficult to interrupt and make the PLD able to fit an oGCD right after the spell without clipping the next GCD (like Bards can do with WM on). They also should add a Surecast effect on Tempered Will (would fit the name and make this CD more useful). They could also add a regen effect to Clemency that applies to the PLD when used so that it helps healers over time. But insta cast I'd feel that it would be too sad to delete the casting animation, it feels like an actual Paladin casting a holy spell and that's a good thing for "player fantasy" like Sapphidia would say.

[Brannigan]

I think that the casting animation is cool I'd personally like it to remain.

I ogree. I'd like it to be 1) as fast as healer heals so I don't just get beaten every time and maybe 2) immune to interrupts in shield oath at least. Maybe lower the cast time to like 1s in sword oath as well. There's still the whole opportunity cost of lost autos, lost GCD time, and broken combos. However, the casting animation is too rad to get rid of. They had that shit in the old limit break trailer before 2.0 came out but then we never got a spell to cast.

[Seku]

I'd like it to be like this so I could be selfish and use it on myself when I knew a tank buster was about to come out. ;x

"get ready to heal the tank!!"
"oh...nvm. he did it him/herself....well guess we can go back to dpsing."

[winsock]

From a healer perspective, yes it would be OP.

To be fair, I can understand where you're coming from. You've got a skill that you make sacrifices to use and its only semi reliable. But look at it from the healers point of view. We dps because there usually isn't enough to heal to begin with. We have limited accessibility to saves in the event that we, or the person we're healing, makes a big mistake. If clemency was instant, it could function as another save, substantially lowering the skill requirements for healers. Being instant also guarantees the cast and encourages the use of the skill, meaning that in less difficult content, there would be less stance dancing and less healing for healers to perform.

It would be OP, because it steps too far into the healer role.

[Calypsx]

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You can only use it twice so I don't think they are stepping into the healer role and I know my healers would love if I helped topped another player off while they focus on other things like mana management or dps.

From a healer perspective myself, I personally would love it. Also Paladins don't get enough opportunity to use their mana more which would increase the depth of the class itself.

I think if it couldn't be interrupted with a 1-1.5 second cast time or a instant cast would be fine.

[winsock]

You can only use it twice so I don't think they are stepping into the healer role.

At what point do you think clemency would step too far into the healing role? What would be the minimum for you to consider a clemency buff to have gone too far and why?

Here is why I think it would step too far into the healer role:

Currently, PLDs will sometimes cast clemency only to have a healer heal before clemency lands. If clemency could instaheal, it would be the other way around. WHM casts Cure (II) only to have Clemency land before Cure (II). IMO, healing what the healer was already trying to heal is stepping on the healer's toes. Currently, clemency has a cast time long enough for healers to do their thing. In other words, clemency as it is now usually doesnt help with the healer role, unless the healer needs help or wants the PLD to help. The healers are the ones in control of the outgoing heals.

[Archaell]

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We live in dps meta, the roles were forsaken from the start so the paladin healing a bit can't be considered "stepping on healer's toes".

Just based on the mana cost, wasted healer's heal still costs less than wasted Clemency. Also if you could insta cast it, then you would be able to get the player healed enough for the healer's heal to finish the job - there is no point to heal a corpse.

Healers in my FC pretty much agreed that it is great when paladins use Clemency... but not many do, because the skill could use quite a bit of improvement.

[Cheraa]

We live in dps meta, the roles were forsaken from the start so the paladin healing a bit can't be considered "stepping on healer's toes".

Just based on the mana cost, wasted healer's heal still costs less than wasted Clemency. Also if you could insta cast it, then you would be able to get the player healed enough for the healer's heal to finish the job - there is no point to heal a corpse.

Healers in my FC pretty much agreed that it is great when paladins use Clemency... but not many do, because the skill could use quite a bit of improvement.

I can agree on this one.

Clemency costs us close to 50% of our Mana, no Paladin would use it on a Target, that is above 50% Health.
Taking the current HP of DDs and Heals with 13k, we would heal if he drops to ~5-6k, heal him up to 10-11K means there is still room for a healer Cure, to top of the Player.

Currently, Clemency is just a garbage Skill, that isn't worth to use. It takes to long for an emergency cure.

- In 4s you won't get it off, as you are tanking the boss and trash. Healer Mana isn't a Problem here and even if, you coudn't heal if it is not a boss phase where you are not getting hit.
- In 8s you currently don't need it. But if you would, it is not possible due to other tasks, where you cant stand still for ~4 Seconds doing nothing than a potential overheal. (F.e. Alexander Turn 4)
- In 24s...well we will see in 3.1, but I think there will be enough healer that you will never use it as well.

I would like to see on of those:

- 1 Second Cast
- Hot for the Target and Player with 300 Potency, 1 Second Cast
- 1 Second Cast, Raid Buff -25% DMG taken for 8 Seconds, Raid wide HoT with 100 Potency for 8 Seconds -> 90-180 sec. CD