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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    And an extra 3 aetherflow stacks...

    Still working on trying some endgame on SCH but I suspect Dissipation is actually quite powerful. OTOH, it might be nice if it would also reset the indom timer...
    and if it cut the mp cost of your summon or summon ii by half
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    and if it cut the mp cost of your summon or summon ii by half
    Well, the tricky part there would be they can't be summoned until the effect is over, so how do they apply a half cost effect...

    I guess a chained buff, a la the Living Dead sequence but strictly on a timer, might work...
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    exactly.

    treat it like berserk. you get another buff after the previous one falls off
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    On paper, Dissipation as a healing CD isn't bad. Consider the following:
    • Fairy Embrace is approximately 200 Potency every three seconds. Over the course of the 30s cooldown, you've lost 2,000 potency.
    • Three AF charges will give you back 1,800 potency on Lustrate (2,000 if you use one charge on Indomitability in a two tank scenario). You've now made up or close to made up the amount of healing lost with the use of Dissipation.
    • In the case of using all three charges are for Lustrate, you'll need an additional 3 Physicks to make up the remaining lost Potency from Fairy loss. Anything beyond these three Pysicks is icing on the healing cake.

    Effectively what Dissipation does is front load a SCH's healing. Unfortunately, this is marred by two scenarios:
    • The cost to resummon the Fairy requires 1,768 MP and generally Swiftcast to reduce downtime.
    • There aren't enough scenarios in the game where a SCH needs to front load that much healing for that kind of duration. The only scenario I can think of is at the beginning of Wave 9 in A2S where ALL THE DAMAGE is going out at once for a prolonged period of time.

    The MP cost to resummon the fairy is worth four Physicks and the only way a 20% healing buff makes up for that is if you Physick 20 times in those 30 seconds which is impossible to do, let alone the fact that you shouldn't need to be constantly healing for the entire duration of the buff. There's also the non-measurable cost of consuming your Swiftcast to resummon said Fairy quickly.

    Just on the vein of "how to fix", I was just thinking that it would be neat if every time you use an AF stack for healing purposes (Lustrate, Indomitability, Sacred Soil) while Dissipation was active, it would provide a stacking buff that caps at three that reduces the cost of the Fairy resummon by 25% and cast time by 33% that lasts for 45 seconds. Maybe a little too wild but I liked the thought in my head. lol.
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    I think frontloading the healing power was entirely the intent, ie a kind of emergency "I need stacks NAO" kind of thing.

    All that said, can Dissipation be clicked off early?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    All that said, can Dissipation be clicked off early?
    Newp (Sadly - that was my very first thought when I saw it)
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    Just do eet.... Stop whining...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Scholar is an amazing job, and definitely up there as one of the best. But it's not OP. Versatility =/= OP. If that was the case, no one would bother with either of the other healing jobs, it would always be dual Scholar.
    Scholar isn't overtly OP in the traditional sense of the word, i.e. strictly and obviously better in arbitrary categories (like burst damage, mana management, emergency healing tools, etc). White mage and Astrologian have strengths that Scholar doesn't, so their toolkits complement one another pretty well. The reason I usually point to Scholar as an example of an OP class is because it has a vanishingly small list of weaknesses. Versatility (that is, cutting the list of things you're 1 or 2/10 at) usually comes at the expense of items you're 9 or 10/10 at to compensate. SCH's toolkit has a very short 2/10 list, but their 10/10 list isn't any smaller than WHM's or AST's; they just moved a bunch of 2s up to 6s for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    • Fairy Embrace is approximately 200 Potency every three seconds. Over the course of the 30s cooldown, you've lost 2,000 potency.
    • Three AF charges will give you back 1,800 potency on Lustrate (2,000 if you use one charge on Indomitability in a two tank scenario). You've now made up or close to made up the amount of healing lost with the use of Dissipation.
    Since dissipation give you a +20% healing bonus
    shoulnd't the 3 lustrates have 2160 potency ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    Since dissipation give you a +20% healing bonus
    shoulnd't the 3 lustrates have 2160 potency ?
    Lustrate is a Skill and won't get affected
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