WHM DPS

[Judge_Xero]

SCH and WHM dpsing needs more coordination than it seems at 1st so its easier to lose a bit of dps of having 2 healers dpsing and just tell the WHM to solo heal instead of trying to come up with a real time raid coordination.

Pretty much this. SCH only has a 80 170 Potency attack (Ruin Broil) once their dots are set up. So ideally you would have WHM and SCH alternate since WHM has a 210 Potency attack once their DoTs are placed.

WHM does need more accuracy ~+76 if you have a Bard who can use RoD occasionally.

[Lastelli]

Pretty much this. SCH only has an 80 Potency attack (Ruin) once their dots are set up. So ideally you would have WHM and SCH alternate since WHM has a 210 Potency attack once their DoTs are placed.

WHM does need more accuracy ~+76 if you have a Bard who can use RoD occasionally.

WHM is better as DPS only in the very niche scenario in which you have a very tight and short dps check: PoM + Stone III spam...but still, if the SCH has full AF stack broil+energy drain is pretty close.

It also does more damage than malefic 2

Are you sure? I just checked and it should be 200 potency for both...but the fact that aero is instant and costs less mp is reason enough to have it on my hotbar.

[Staris]

WHM is better as DPS only in the very niche scenario in which you have a very tight and short dps check: PoM + Stone III spam...but still, if the SCH has full AF stack broil+energy drain is pretty close.



Are you sure? I just checked and it should be 200 potency for both...but the fact that aero is instant and costs less mp is reason enough to have it on my hotbar.

Yes, it is influenced by spell speed on a per cast basis vs a per time only basis as malefic.
Small difference but still better.

[Nekotee]

It comes down to WHM being better at burst DPS and SCH being better at sustained. SCH have more DoTs, better MP management and also a pet that can heal while they DPS. In longer fights that will always be preferred as the main DPSer because they simply have the better tools to do it. As a WHM, you can still look for opportunities to DPS, but only if you can fulfill your healing requirements first.

A2S is a great example where WHM DPS shines.

Quite the opposite...
WHM is a strong single target DPS
While SCH is good on multiple target (and weaker than the WHM on single target)

A1S is a great place for WHM to shine as DPS
A2S is the SCH playground

[Risvertasashi]

So I main WHM an I love to stance dance but recently got in a group and SCH was ranting on how I should only heal and that SCH makes the only good DPS anyways

It's a holdover from ARR. With Heavensward WHM can really put out some pretty good DPS, at times well over what SCH can do.

SCH still have some advantages. Accuracy, as others have noted. In a2s, I would say SCH is stronger than WHM for DPS. In a3s, WHM is capable of higher DPS than SCH. Etc.

[Rawrz]

WHM got allot of DPS love this expansion. Scholars got Broil to help them keep up with the other healers, but had their entire DPS kit back at 50.

Assize: 300 Potency AOE with no damage penalty. It doesn't get much sexier than this.
Aero III: BEAUTIFUL? Its almost 2 Holys without the penalty. (370 potency)
Stone III: The basic attack at 60, that deals more than Aero by itself. @.@
(Fluid Aura also became much more acceptable, since very few things knockback at this cap)

Overall, HW gave Scholars more healing options, becoming more independent for healing abilities from their pet/arcanist roots, while giving WHM a little more to do than just Aero II, Aero, Spam Stone II.

[NamoNanamo]

For a2s, Whm can BURST dps and he is really awesome. Holy/swiftcast holy/Assize + aero3 and that's all, you did mass damage and you can return to heal your tank.
And fluid Aura, you can push the bomb :P.

[Ashkendor]

Quite the opposite...
WHM is a strong single target DPS
While SCH is good on multiple target (and weaker than the WHM on single target)

A1S is a great place for WHM to shine as DPS
A2S is the SCH playground

Ehhhh, I dunno. I think the person you quoted had it closer to the truth. The biggest difference between WHM and SCH's kits is the fact that SCH has stronger tools for mana management. WHM puts up good damage over short bursts, but can't sustain and recover the way SCH can so it takes more planning. Both of them can do great AoE damage but Holy runs you out of mana very fast when you compare to SCH's DoT/Bane. If WHM had the kind of sustainability that SCH does, they'd be utterly broken in AoE damage situations. :3

With that said...

Pretty much this. SCH only has an 80 Potency attack (Ruin)

Nooooo. Broil is friggin awesome. Don't use Ruin!

[Judge_Xero]

WHM is better as DPS only in the very niche scenario in which you have a very tight and short dps check: PoM + Stone III spam...but still, if the SCH has full AF stack broil+energy drain is pretty close.

Awww yeah, I forgot about SCH now having Broil. SCH's just OP.

[Nekotee]

I can assure you on A2S a SCH who DoT a mob with 5 stack of vulnerabily, then bane and cast shadow flare can make the whm go to sleep... (The smn will be far much more stronger but well...)

Because outside assize and aero III... What are the whm aoe tool (that don't burn his mana like hell)