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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    Awww yeah, I forgot about SCH now having Broil. SCH's just OP.
    It truly is the funny thing is that some people were complaining because dissipation is not so great despite the fact that all the rest of a sch toolkit is just...op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lastelli View Post
    It truly is the funny thing is that some people were complaining because dissipation is not so great despite the fact that all the rest of a sch toolkit is just...op.
    Scholar is an amazing job, and definitely up there as one of the best. But it's not OP. Versatility =/= OP. If that was the case, no one would bother with either of the other healing jobs, it would always be dual Scholar.

    As for Dissipation, people aren't specifically looking for it to be buffed, but for it to be changed. As it stands, it's designed to be a healing CD, and yet it's only beneficial purpose is to give AF stacks to enhance our DPS. As they've seperated Scholar and Summoner more this expansion, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for our final ability to be so DPS related. Personally I don't mind the ability as it is, but to be a healing CD with the healing part completely ignored, it does seem like an ability that needs changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Scholar is an amazing job, and definitely up there as one of the best. But it's not OP. Versatility =/= OP. If that was the case, no one would bother with either of the other healing jobs, it would always be dual Scholar.

    As for Dissipation, people aren't specifically looking for it to be buffed, but for it to be changed. As it stands, it's designed to be a healing CD, and yet it's only beneficial purpose is to give AF stacks to enhance our DPS.
    I thought that Dissipation was meant to boost SCH AOE healing. All the new skills synergize to boost SCH direct AOE healing. Probably not a big deal when healing with WHM, but maybe with an AST partner or just if you are solo healing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge_Xero View Post
    I thought that Dissipation was meant to boost SCH AOE healing. All the new skills synergize to boost SCH direct AOE healing. Probably not a big deal when healing with WHM, but maybe with an AST partner or just if you are solo healing.
    Dissipation adds a 20% healing buff to the Scholar at the cost of not being able to use a fairy for 30 seconds. It also gives 3 AF stacks. Now the loss of the fairy pretty much negates the extra healing power we get, and Lustrate and Indomitability (our 2 main burst single target and AoE heals) are classed as abilities and do not receive the 20% buff. Pair this up with the fact it costs 1768 mana to resummon the fairy, plus a Swiftcast, it's pretty much one of the worst healing CDs in the game. Especially for being our 'ultimate' lv60 spell. The AF stacks are useful for Scholar opening rotations to allow you to weave in more Energy Drains. That's about it. Some Scholars will use it, and I know a lot of Scholars don't even have it on their hotbars.

    For these reasons, I think it more adequate to change the spell's usage as opposed to buffing what it currently is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabzy View Post
    Scholar is an amazing job, and definitely up there as one of the best. But it's not OP. Versatility =/= OP. If that was the case, no one would bother with either of the other healing jobs, it would always be dual Scholar.
    Scholar isn't overtly OP in the traditional sense of the word, i.e. strictly and obviously better in arbitrary categories (like burst damage, mana management, emergency healing tools, etc). White mage and Astrologian have strengths that Scholar doesn't, so their toolkits complement one another pretty well. The reason I usually point to Scholar as an example of an OP class is because it has a vanishingly small list of weaknesses. Versatility (that is, cutting the list of things you're 1 or 2/10 at) usually comes at the expense of items you're 9 or 10/10 at to compensate. SCH's toolkit has a very short 2/10 list, but their 10/10 list isn't any smaller than WHM's or AST's; they just moved a bunch of 2s up to 6s for free.
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    I love that *some* people in my FC have in their own way try to tell me to switch SCH and that it's better than WHM, or wont run with me if I'm bringing my whm lol. I guess eventually there will be a SCH vs WHM thread, if we haven't had that already.

    Anyway, for my ilvl all aeros = 1100 per tick, that'll hold me over til I'm able to slam some Stone IIIs in. Holy is strong but that 1768MP..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    I guess eventually there will be a SCH vs WHM thread, if we haven't had that already.
    There have been many, many of these. Plenty of people resent that a pure healing job has a place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    There have been many, many of these. Plenty of people resent that a pure healing job has a place.
    I thought that was just jealous WHM that resents SCH's versatility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessedbythesun View Post
    I thought that was just jealous WHM that resents SCH's versatility.
    Not really, no. WHMs don't really make threads about how useless SCHs are (well, there was that one joke thread when the 'whm is inferior' threads were getting really out of hand XD).

    It is possible that the sort of players who were making those threads envisioned their "enemies" as being jealous though XD
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    fey illumination and dissipation make your healing spells do 44% more than its normal values.
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