WHM DPS

[liljramos88]

So I main WHM an I love to stance dance but recently got in a group and SCH was ranting on how I should only heal and that SCH makes the only good DPS anyways I am a bit curiouse why SCH are preferred is it bc the pet or is the another facter I usually aply my HOTs on tank than burn down mobs or enemy than burst heal when needed in some cases I out DPS some of the DPS jobs. I do understand that Astro are prefered to be mandatory healer.(having a bit trouble dps as a Astro). It just seems like in the expansion the skills that we learn are focused to change the roles a bit. Example SCH new skills are all about healing mean while WHM learned new HoTs and DPS skill.

[lulunami]

SCH is less effected by accuracy problems since Bio II, Bio, and Shadowflare cannot miss. SCH also has slightly easier MP management than WHM. Plus having a fairy heal while you are in Cleric Stance is really helpful.

With that said, WHM can do supplement a reasonable amount of DPS in raids with a coordinated group. Although, WHM are generally responsible for healing a lot more than the SCH. I think the biggest problem for WHM dps is MP management over really long fights.

In Final Coil and Second Coil, you can do a lot of DPS on WHM since there is a lot of downtime between tankbusters. Even in Alexander Savage, WHM can DPS a lot. A1S is pretty decent for WHM and A2S is very AoE friendly. WHM can dps in the first 3 phases of A3S. Same thing in A4S, especially on the third leg, where WHM should supplement dps to reach the one adds checkpoint.

[Kabzy]

It comes down to WHM being better at burst DPS and SCH being better at sustained. SCH have more DoTs, better MP management and also a pet that can heal while they DPS. In longer fights that will always be preferred as the main DPSer because they simply have the better tools to do it. As a WHM, you can still look for opportunities to DPS, but only if you can fulfill your healing requirements first.

A2S is a great example where WHM DPS shines.

[Nekotee]

It comes down to WHM being better at burst DPS and SCH being better at sustained. SCH have more DoTs, better MP management and also a pet that can heal while they DPS. In longer fights that will always be preferred as the main DPSer because they simply have the better tools to do it. As a WHM, you can still look for opportunities to DPS, but only if you can fulfill your healing requirements first.

A2S is a great example where WHM DPS shines.

Quite the opposite...
WHM is a strong single target DPS
While SCH is good on multiple target (and weaker than the WHM on single target)

A1S is a great place for WHM to shine as DPS
A2S is the SCH playground

[Ashkendor]

Quite the opposite...
WHM is a strong single target DPS
While SCH is good on multiple target (and weaker than the WHM on single target)

A1S is a great place for WHM to shine as DPS
A2S is the SCH playground

Ehhhh, I dunno. I think the person you quoted had it closer to the truth. The biggest difference between WHM and SCH's kits is the fact that SCH has stronger tools for mana management. WHM puts up good damage over short bursts, but can't sustain and recover the way SCH can so it takes more planning. Both of them can do great AoE damage but Holy runs you out of mana very fast when you compare to SCH's DoT/Bane. If WHM had the kind of sustainability that SCH does, they'd be utterly broken in AoE damage situations. :3

With that said...

Pretty much this. SCH only has an 80 Potency attack (Ruin)

Nooooo. Broil is friggin awesome. Don't use Ruin!

[liljramos88]

Any tips on Astro DPSing.

[Kabzy]

Any tips on Astro DPSing.

Well AST have 2 DoTs that also cannot miss, so apply those and use Malefic 2 or Gravity (AoE). You have to be a lot more careful with MP though as you only really have one MP regen. With healing and card buffs to take care off, your window for DPSing is a lot smaller anyway. But at least in return you can buff DPS for the entire raid.

[Calypsx]

Well AST have 2 DoTs that also cannot miss, so apply those and use Malefic 2 or Gravity (AoE). You have to be a lot more careful with MP though as you only really have one MP regen. With healing and card buffs to take care off, your window for DPSing is a lot smaller anyway. But at least in return you can buff DPS for the entire raid.

Shouldn't AST cross Aero as well?

[Lastelli]

Shouldn't AST cross Aero as well?

Yes, they should, but since it can miss and it has the same potency as Malefic II, you want to do it only because it's MP efficient, so it's only relevant for things like Savage.

[Staris]

Yes, they should, but since it can miss and it has the same potency as Malefic II, you want to do it only because it's MP efficient, so it's only relevant for things like Savage.

It also does more damage than malefic 2