Suggestion: Make MSQ instances decrease dificulty based on first time players

[Archaell]

after he posted

it is my conclusion he's a complete troll, a sadist, or both

That's sarcasm with a lil bit of cynicism. Just now I have finished a dungeon with a bot in my group, which is exactly the point of the quote: Some players are doing the same amount of contribution as bots. The issue is that somebody has to do the work - otherwiese the run fails. Simply to put I dislike exploiting of others for own gain.

Would the run fail if everybody put in same amount of effort/contribution as this guy? Yes/No. I consider it exploiting if the answer is yes.

[Kolaina]

That's sarcasm with a lil bit of cynicism. Just now I have finished a dungeon with a bot in my group, which is exactly the point of the quote: Some players are doing the same amount of contribution as bots. The issue is that somebody has to do the work - otherwiese the run fails. Simply to put I dislike exploiting of others for own gain.

Would the run fail if everybody put in same amount of effort/contribution as this guy? Yes/No. I consider it exploiting if the answer is yes.

im in the practice of offering advice, then, if no attempt is made, kicking them from the party. or when i healed the vault last boss, a ninja just would not dodge. come orbs i said "if you want me to have mp for the rest of the fight, i suggest u start dodging" and when he didnt... i let him die. was to late to kick him but good bye last boss exp. sometimes people need a little bit of a tougher approach. not be carried and made believe thats ok

[Archaell]

im in the practice of offering advice, then, if no attempt is made, kicking them from the party. or when i healed the vault last boss, a ninja just would not dodge. come orbs i said "if you want me to have mp for the rest of the fight, i suggest u start dodging" and when he didnt... i let him die. was to late to kick him but good bye last boss exp. sometimes people need a little bit of a tougher approach. not be carried and made believe thats ok

I also realised that it is a bot during the last boss of the Vault... till then I thought that it was your usual monk who couldn't do positionals, but during the fight the player was running around the place even when the horses were not on so it was obvious.

To my remark about botting being bad, I got the answer "Why should botting be bad?" Wtf... This brings an interesting question how many bad players are actually more botting than bad.

[Gilraen]

Would the run fail if everybody put in same amount of effort/contribution as this guy?

That is a very gross assumption. I've never run into a single new player that was THAT bad. Not even 'new' players I've seen are that bad. The only ones I have seen that were are those that would fall into a very different category, none of them proc'd the new player message on start. Yeah, I'm convinced, pretty clear you aren't talking from a position of concern for new players nor even 'new' players.

[Archaell]

That is a very gross assumption. I've never run into a single new player that was THAT bad. Not even 'new' players I've seen are that bad. The only ones I have seen that were are those that would fall into a very different category, none of them proc'd the new player message on start. Yeah, I'm convinced, pretty clear you aren't talking from a position of concern for new players nor even 'new' players.

I am talking from the position of "not making content more easier than it is".

Trials and dungeons are getting nerfed due to numbers of failed runs. I presume that portion of these is related to new players. It is not entire player base that is bad, but they are more prone to be bad, due to the practice of getting through the content through sheer iLevel difference. Basically the roulette is great idea, but the impatience of the high level players is teaching new players bad habits, which imo results in more and more instances being nerfed.

Edit:

To make myself clear. I consider nerfing content only when there are first timers lesser evil than nefing it for all the players.