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    Cynric's Avatar
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    Cynric Caliburn
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    Probably not 100% balanced but I'd like to see Paladin rely more on their shield. Also I was bored. They're probably odd changes but I'd like to see blocking become way more interesting at least.

    Shield Oath - Incoming attacks that are Blocked will give the buff Blockade
    Blockade effect - Reflect 5% of incoming Physical damage. Duration 5(s)
    Shield Swipe - Pacification effect removed, When used has a 40% chance of adding the buff Intercepting and Advancing
    Intercepting and Advancing effect - Duration 5(s), Block the next Physical Weapon Skill used(Shield Oath) , Increase Enmity Generation of Next weapon skill(1.5x)(Sword Oath)
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    Rawker Stone
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I just realized, if they did split our sources of AP between STR and VIT, equally, it will just make unnecessary complication in balancing accessories. I mean, Slaying and Fending accessories will just net the same or less AP vs melded accessories. On the other hand, skewing towards one stat in favor of the other will render left-side equipment (as both have STR and VIT) quite pointless... esp if the skew favors more on VIT, than STR.

    So my new stand is as follows:
    1. Screw splitting damage between STR and VIT and keep STR as main source of AP.
    2. Replace VIT trait with STR trait for tanks.
    3. Lower STR gains from all post-50 left side stuff to keep tank dps at bay.
    4. Scrap Fending accessories.
    5. Increase HP multiplier from VIT.
    6. Make VIT a secondary stat, similar to PIE.
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    Last edited by rawker; 11-02-2015 at 10:07 AM.

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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    So my new stand is as follows:
    1. Screw splitting damage between STR and VIT and keep STR as main source of AP.
    2. Replace VIT trait with STR trait for tanks.
    3. Lower STR gains from all post-50 left side stuff to keep tank dps at bay.
    4. Scrap Fending accessories.
    5. Increase HP multiplier from VIT.
    6. Make VIT a secondary stat, similar to PIE.
    It's a lot of rework for a simple patch. For an expansion why not, but I don't see them coming up with something like this right now. I remain on my idea of them just making VIT the new AP modifier, rendering STR completely useless for tanks and maybe lower all tank damage to what they do now with an hybrid build to compensate. It would fix the problem about fending accessories being useless and stuff. We'll see, I think we will have more informations about that in future live letters between 3.1 and 3.2. Let's be patient.
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    Thing is, tank gear comes with STR. If they didn't scrap STR affecting block strength then it's alright to me but knowing that all left-side gear has VIT on it, to have an accessory with nothing but VIT on it is useless at a certain point. Might as well have an accessory with nothing but PIE.....
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    Last edited by rawker; 11-02-2015 at 12:40 PM.

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    They could just delete all the STR from tank gear, it honestly doesn't matter at all since our only main stat would be VIT. Just increase drastically the damage directed to the tanks in future encounters to make the HP bloat useful, and that's it. Tank gear would only have 3 stats, but they could even do something like adding parry to every tank gear as a free stat, this way we would still have : our main damage AND HP stat (VIT), two DPS secondaries (det/crit/SS/acc) but with an extra thing which even if it's shit (let's be real, parry is), it's free and we wouldn't lose anything from having it in our gear so we wouldn't care and our gear would still have 4 stats. It would fix multiple problems in fact. This way, parry chance would constantly increase with the ilvl as well as HP and damage, like... It should be for a tank ? And we'd actually want Fending accessories.
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    Cress Valorblade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    ....
    Or they could do a 60%/40% VIT/STR for damage. Basically, there's no reason to build STR (it's literally weaker), but then they could leave STR on gear. Fending gets used, damage is still high (though they might have to reduce base damage a bit), no more "Vit vs. Str" arguments.
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    Cynric Caliburn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymore65 View Post
    Or they could do a 60%/40% VIT/STR for damage. Basically, there's no reason to build STR (it's literally weaker), but then they could leave STR on gear. Fending gets used, damage is still high (though they might have to reduce base damage a bit), no more "Vit vs. Str" arguments.
    There'd be no point in doing that split. We'd all just build vit and ignore str, If they did a 60/40 split they might as well just make the main stat Vit, because it'd have the same effect. The fact that there is Str on current left side gear doesn't mean very much in the long run.

    I agree with making vit a secondary and giving another stat over just doing some kind of weird split.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynric View Post
    There'd be no point in doing that split. We'd all just build vit and ignore str, If they did a 60/40 split they might as well just make the main stat Vit, because it'd have the same effect. The fact that there is Str on current left side gear doesn't mean very much in the long run.

    I agree with making vit a secondary and giving another stat over just doing some kind of weird split.
    I could be wrong but i believe all tanks wearing full vit and ignoring str is what se wants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins View Post
    I could be wrong but i believe all tanks wearing full vit and ignoring str is what se wants.
    Then they need to lower the health on all bosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tam_Hawkins View Post
    I could be wrong but i believe all tanks wearing full vit and ignoring str is what se wants.
    The amount of DPS required to clear content seems to suggest otherwise. Especially with them saying that they don't want Healers DPSing and taking away their accuracy(and even nerfing the capability of cleric stance dancing)
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