Void Ark to drop Esoteric parts for upgrade why?

[CosmicKirby]

What I am saying is all these sorts of things is never going to stay exclusive based on the game's track record. There's always going to be nerfs and catch up patches because you can't assume that A) everyone WILL do the raids or B) everyone can finish the raids quickly enough before they become irrelevant.

Right. I'm not saying that this shouldn't be done. I'm pointing out that, compared to previous instances of CT giving catch-up loot, a lot of people getting the loot are going to be raiders that have been banging their heads against a wall for months.
If anything it highlights how poorly done AS has been so far.

The counter-argument being that with waaaaaaay more players unable to clear the raid, it's even more important to make the upgrade items available to those players as soon as possible, especially since they should be done with Esoterics already, leaving that as the main route of gear improvement for them.

I wasn't making an argument. I was trying to point out why I think some people, myself among them, are a bit disappointed that the gear is going from ludicrously difficult to obtain, to absurdly easy. I'm more upset that there wasn't a middle ground to be had, not that I'm upset about there being a much easier route.

[Ibi]

I wasn't making an argument.

Counter-point then, rather than counter-argument.

I was trying to point out why I think some people, myself among them, are a bit disappointed that the gear is going from ludicrously difficult to obtain, to absurdly easy. I'm more upset that there wasn't a middle ground to be had, not that I'm upset about there being a much easier route.

What kind of middle ground would you have considered reasonable?

I guess I'm not sure I understand being disappointed or upset about this. I've been in various different points of raiding progression when the alternate methods of obtaining upgrade items have been introduced:

My group for Second Coil had been butting our heads against T8 for weeks (after butting our heads against T7 for weeks) when ST/Hunts first came out, and I was glad there was a way to obtain gear I didn't currently have access to, to make working on the rest of Second Coil less of a struggle.

I changed to a different group for Final Coil, and we'd already cleared T13 when WoD came out, and I was glad there was a way to more quickly obtain items that didn't rely on competing with the rest of my static.

That same group, now in Alex Savage, cleared A3S for the first time a few weeks ago. We've only put in a couple of hours in A4S, so it's unlikely we'll have it cleared by 3.1, but I'm still not sure I can fathom a reason to be disappointed that there's an alternate route by which to obtain those items.

[SchalaZeal]

if your group clears AS2, 2 random glove/belt/boots and 1 illuminati gobcoat will be rolled for and everyone gets a page 2.

Gearing guide says that you don't need the pages to get the gobitems, you can roll on them directly.

So yeah, this "I had to wait 3 weeks" is only if you didn't win roll on the item itself. And you had 2 rolls a week (A1S and A2S) on top of your pages, compared to people in Void Ark only getting 1 gobitem per week.

[Warlyx]

Gearing guide says that you don't need the pages to get the gobitems, you can roll on them directly.

So yeah, this "I had to wait 3 weeks" is only if you didn't win roll on the item itself. And you had 2 rolls a week (A1S and A2S) on top of your pages, compared to people in Void Ark only getting 1 gobitem per week.

a1s doesnt have any gobitem , AS2 have gobcoat and is 1 item for 8 players....so 1 every 8 weeks .....or burn pages on it (and u need 4? ...so 4 weeks)

[Maero]

^ Very true, and i was rather annoyed to be honest when gear was made obtainable from hunts. I blamed that back then for the amount of bad players, who seemed to think hey gear =skill right? lol
Rather sad they keep going this route..

[RussW]

Where did this info come from?

[SakuraMidori]

The big problem i see here is that A lets say we can roll on the token cool but that's still going to be RNG hell and then B lets say when you op a random chest someone on the team can get a token that sounds like so much more RNG hell that what's the point :P and if ppl can roll on tokens then what's to stop them from quitting the run like ppl did in WOD after they got there drop? SE just put the token on the old raid quest and make ppl run WOD and Void ark to get it. Hell id run all 4 if it stop the RNG lol

[SchalaZeal]

and if ppl can roll on tokens then what's to stop them from quitting the run like ppl did in WOD after they got there drop?

Maybe the fact that you need to beat the end boss to roll on it? That was in the live letter.

I guess the arch furniture and the 2 minions in the CT raids were supposed to do this.

[SakuraMidori]

Maybe the fact that you need to beat the end boss to roll on it? That was in the live letter.

Ok that will be fine but they need to keep the RNG less as well or you will have some ppl running it 55 or 60 times with never getting one token and that can be bad iv seen ppl quit over RNG and i can't blame them

[AsahinaMyLove]

Not gonna do this RNG madness again and wasting my precious time by this... crap!

I mean: I did that week around 30 Sycrus Tower for a Fu*beeep*g Sands of time and didnt got 1! I gave up and felt stupid for wasting so much time =.=

1 Most wanted item for 8 people is just *Beeeeep*!! >_>