Why do people want trash?

[Phireblast]

"You don't deserve to fight a boss unless you spend at least an hour fighting basic enemy packs from which you receive no rewards, and these enemies will respawn every 30 minutes, so if you don't clear the boss within that time, you will have to fight them again just to get to whichever boss you were stuck on."


Keeping it grouchy.


But no, trash is very easy to design poorly, and very rare to be seen implemented in a manner that isn't a waste of time. It's good when if has a purpose, like xp or building the theme of the dungeon you are adventuring through, but for level-cap content where players may attempt the same fight 20-30 times in a single night, it is just a waste of time getting to the real objective.

You do realize that with the raids in this game that had trash mobs, you didn't have to go through them again until the next reset, right? At least before they heavily nerfed Second Coil. Even with CT, the trash would be gone permanently.

[Gunspec]

You do realize that with the raids in this game that had trash mobs, you didn't have to go through them again until the next reset, right? At least before they heavily nerfed Second Coil. Even with CT, the trash would be gone permanently.

But a grouch remembers other games, and drags them around into every discussion, telling everyone that things will never be better than the garbage from yesteryear. Look, I just really wanted to bring Oscar into this conversation...

And yes, thank god they don't have respawning trash in ffxiv.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

If the mobs gave something meaningful, then they wouldn't be called trash anymore.

[Warlyx]

If the mobs gave something meaningful, then they wouldn't be called trash anymore.

nah , that term comes from EQ , cant remember the dungeon ...Unrest? yard trash mobs ...and after a while just trash... doesnt mean that mobs are worthless , because ppl used that mobs to exp

but yeah , trash needs to drop something worthy (gear mats ...) , and DONT RESPAWN until next lockout ...

But i think we will have enough with Airship exploration i guess...

[Etiken]

If you rather mindlessly kill trash for hours, go play WoW. Being forced into clearing trash eliminates the ability for casual statics that only raid a few hours a week to enjoy and progress through end game content. Please SE, don't add trash to these raids. It is completely unnecessary and a total waste of time. SOO boring

[Alex_Lenderson]

If you rather mindlessly kill trash for hours, go play WoW. Being forced into clearing trash eliminates the ability for casual statics that only raid a few hours a week to enjoy and progress through end game content. Please SE, don't add trash to these raids. It is completely unnecessary and a total waste of time. SOO boring

Exactly right!

[TouchandFeel]

@Gunspec

I see your Oscar and raise you an Agnes, the junk lady.



This discussion reminds me so much of that scene.

"It's all junk!"
"What about this? This is not junk."

Quick somebody grab a lala and toss it in the air so we can start a sing-along!

You like to remind me of the game.
What game?
The game referenced by the ex-WoWer.
What WoWer?
The one that wants their way for you too.
Who do?
You do.
What?
Remind me of the game.

Yes, I know I'm a dork and my mind goes to strange places, but at least I have fun with it

[Kotemon]

Fast exp if its available, more gil if available, and spirit bonding if it happens. Plus Trash dies really fast when compared to actual mobs, so Whm's can have fun out DPS-n the Blm in that moment. Just be glad they are all not being tied into some bigger game mechanic. Steps of Faith, Minotaur, Heads in Quarn, Sirus, crystal tower, Tamtara hard, Garuda King Moggle Mog, Halatali , Ever Weep, Sashta hard...

@Gunspec

I see your Oscar and raise you an Agnes, the junk lady.

That's a lot of potential material waiting to be converted

[Millerna]

@Gunspec

I see your Oscar and raise you an Agnes, the junk lady.



This discussion reminds me so much of that scene.

"It's all junk!"
"What about this? This is not junk."

Quick somebody grab a lala and toss it in the air so we can start a sing-along!

You like to remind me of the game.
What game?
The game referenced by the ex-WoWer.
What WoWer?
The one that wants their way for you too.
Who do?
You do.
What?
Remind me of the game.

Yes, I know I'm a dork and my mind goes to strange places, but at least I have fun with it

Dork or not ... Labyrinth ftw

[Fevelle]

Reposting from other thread:

I really can't see any of the people complaining about trash as long term FF players. Trash mobs give us a hint of what random battles were on previous titles, something you had to deal with to get to the boss. I do think they need better AI and a chain loot system like FFXII, but they do not need any especific "reward" just because there are trash in some raids.

So this...

If you rather mindlessly kill trash for hours, go play WoW. Being forced into clearing trash eliminates the ability for casual statics that only raid a few hours a week to enjoy and progress through end game content. Please SE, don't add trash to these raids. It is completely unnecessary and a total waste of time. SOO boring

...is actually the other way around. This is not a WoW themepark, this a Final Fantasy themepark. Go play WoW if you want to kill only bosses.