Dear casters... about line break....

[Crissy]

With great respect for your DPS and skills --

When there are no melee in the party -- I can do more damage to a single boss with LB than you can, mere machinist though I might be. So please... when the boss gets down to 20%, leave the LB to me. I know when to do it in order to get the boss within the quick-kill margin.

In five of six tome runs through Fractal Continuum, the caster let loose at 20-25%. No disaster, but we wasted time on one more wave of walkin' clocks than we had to.

It occurs to me that machinists are so rare these days that other classes have little familiarity with their capabilities. Too bad.

[UBERHAXED]

Not quite sure that is even true. Have you actually compared the damage? Tests say otherwise. Also which LB you use should not make a difference between time spend in the final boss. If you have adds at the end and the boss is at 10%, then you can just ignore them and finish him off.

[Crissy]

Thanks for the comment.

Yes, I've actually compared damage on the final boss in Fractal Continuum; as best I can determine, there's a small but significant advantage to machinists. Yes, we ignore the adds when the boss is below 10-12%. No, casters usually -- usually -- cannot LB at 20% + and get to within the kill-margin.

I've talked to several casters. The idea seems to be that if there are no melee in the group, caster AoE will have to suffice. I'm saying there's good alternative.

[KaosKeith]

Yes, I've actually compared damage on the final boss in Fractal Continuum;

Is this you testing with both ranged and caster, if so then the numbers are likely not accurate. the LB calculation takes the combined weapon damage of the entire party. With a different party you get a different weapon damage, and therefore inaccurate results.

We tested the ranged/mage LB in a3s (in the same instance and same weapons) and the mage LB did more damage.

[OPneedNerfs]

Is this you testing with both ranged and caster, if so then the numbers are likely not accurate. the LB calculation takes the combined weapon damage of the entire party. With a different party you get a different weapon damage, and therefore inaccurate results.

We tested the ranged/mage LB in a3s (in the same instance and same weapons) and the mage LB did more damage.

Pretty much this.

[Malevicton]

All tests I've seen so far with actual controls have shown brd/mch lb to be slightly lower.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...l_limit_break/

[Sleigh]

LB3 is definitely 10% less on ranged than caster. LB1 and LB2 may or may not be 10% as well but the 10% difference isn't even worth splitting hairs over.

That said, it goes in this order of who-should-LB when it comes to AoE LBing:

SMN >>>> BRD >> MCH > BLM

Gotta look at the whole picture, not the piddling 10% difference.

[Blackbird1]

With great respect for your DPS and skills --

When there are no melee in the party -- I can do more damage to a single boss with LB than you can, mere machinist though I might be. So please... when the boss gets down to 20%, leave the LB to me. I know when to do it in order to get the boss within the quick-kill margin.

In five of six tome runs through Fractal Continuum, the caster let loose at 20-25%. No disaster, but we wasted time on one more wave of walkin' clocks than we had to.

It occurs to me that machinists are so rare these days that other classes have little familiarity with their capabilities. Too bad.

i dunno what kinda of casters your working with but i've always seen blm/smn out dps mch even without lb no offense...hell some will even pull aggro off us tanks if your not careful also it's limit break not line break

[Atoli]

That said, it goes in this order of who-should-LB when it comes to AoE LBing:
SMN >>>> BRD >> MCH > BLM

Why?
I understand SMN being first choice because pet and DoTs keep hurting the boss while the player casts LB, but why are BRD and MCH both in front of BLM even though caster LB is stronger?

[Sleigh]

oGCD oriented nature of BRD/MCH (IE as long as a BRD/MCH doesn't lose many oGCDs for the whole fight, you can look at LBing as losing raw BRD/MCH DPS without CDs, if that makes any sense), a distinct difference in DPS regardless between BLM and BRD/MCH, and BLM loses the most DPS period from LB3ing, it being particularly bursty in how it does its damage, and even if you keep Enochian you have to spend time after it ramping up.

It's not the most common opinion for BRD/MCH to LB3 over a BLM but I'm a firm believer in it, now and for future progression.