I'm done.

[gehrtalert]

I main white Mage and I'm not trying to boast but I'm pretty good at it. It's fairly easy to dps and heal once you know the content(raids or trials or whatever) that you are running. Asylum and tetra make it even easier since HW came out. Aside from all that OP, there will always be someone in a party that wants you to do something you aren't doing. Don't let those trolls discourage you.

[Twilite]

I DPS when I'm absolutely sure everyone is going to be alright for at least 4 seconds.

[DarkmoonVael]

OP, i wouldnt worry too much about what other people say when it comes to healing and dps. It seems over the past few months, the community has become more and more hardline about healers dps'ing everywhere, and not just where it is needed for progression. In savage, its nice to get healers to dps, an it usually is the SCH that does whilst WHM solo heals. For progression, it is usually absolutely needed for a healer to contribute dps, but this is the only place in the game where it is actually needed. In dungeons, its not needed, but in DF you can get those wonderful dps who do negative dps on mobs, so everyone turns to the healer and goes "run is slow, why is healer not dps'ing" when it really should be "run is slow, why are the dps not putting out good figures? Healer if you can manage to, throw some dps out when you can".

Saying that, dungeons are a good place to practise stance dancing. I am one of those SCH who spends 90% of my time in dungeons in cleric stance, but thats from playing SCH since 2.0 and easily getting bored if i have nothing to do.

Enjoy summoner, ignore those in the thread who are coming across as toxic, have fun with the game.

Velox pretty much summed up in their two posts on the first page how the community should see healer dps.

Alas, hardliners are becoming more hardline these days with "healers HAVE to dps everywhere"

[Kuwagami]

As for raiding, only DPS when you can. Never feel obligated to DPS just because someone tells you to. The healer's ability to DPS comes strictly from the performance of the other 7 people in the party. If people aren't giving you the opportunity to DPS, then don't.

This was true in 2.0. Alexander savage changed all of it into a "always dps but don't forget to throw an occasional heal every now and then". That's especially true with scholars.

Look a2s elysium, soloheal and sch into gobwalker. Theres plently of examples that heal only, but they perform so well i couldnt do better. Get over the meta and do it yourself then hearing other newbs talking about how to play your class, because if you believe this, go ahead ang quit healing, if thats your extent of resolve. #getgood

Urgh, I hate people being mean just for the sake of it.

First off, top end raiders are nothing comparison-worthy with the huge majority of players, even those attempting AS. Using an Elysium team member as an example should only serve in a "if you keep going at it, you may become that good one day" (provided you get 7 other people as good as the other 7 in their team). This is not a matter of #getgood or anything. It's a matter of "play as you can and try to improve from here on".

But feel free to prove me wrong and post your own AS3 solo healing video cuz #getgood right ?

[Twilite]

Alas, hardliners are becoming more hardline these days with "healers HAVE to dps everywhere"

Then they probably don't have any healing jobs leveled.

[Verlane]

One issue is that for healers in the current meta, you effectively have to memorize two rotations. Your healing rotation, and your DPS rotation. And you can only use one or the other depending on the circumstances. Unlike with tank stances, being in or out of CS renders one of the two rotations effectively useless. It is incredibly easy to accidentally DPS while out of CS, or heal while in it. The 2.5s CD for Cleric Stance doesn’t help either.

Sorry, but exactly what rotation does a White Mage have to memorize for healing? Healers are the one part of the trinity where they have to do zero memorization of the "optimal" rotation for their assigned role and if you think otherwise, you're kidding yourself. As for dps, how hard is: Single target to put up all aero DoTs followed by Stone III spam or Trash to Aero III, Assize, Holy spam? Pales in comparison to the amount of things you have to know for various situations on a dps to optimize your role.

[Alahra]

I've largely left healing behind, too, for similar reasons. I like DPSing when I'm comfortable, but 8-mans with Primal/Raid mechanics tend to take too much of my focus for me to really DPS for any notable period of time. It conflates with the emphasis on tank DPS for me too, and I dislike the game's current heavy focus on DPS checks.

[Twilite]

..People.. We are healers first and DPS second. >.< If you put too much importance on DPSing, yes you will not like the healing class. There are many many many times I simply cannot find the time to DPS at all, but that's ok because healing is a large part of the job.

[Alahra]

..People.. We are healers first and DPS second. >.< If you put too much importance on DPSing, yes you will not like the healing class. There are many many many times I simply cannot find the time to DPS at all, but that's ok because healing is a large part of the job.

Sadly, DPS checks in current end-game content are tuned tightly enough that DPS is important to the entire party, putting a lot of weight on the healer's shoulders since that also includes tanks, who sacrifice survivability to output more damage.

[MariaNyan]

Theres not such meta, i have to dps as a healer, stop fooling yourself. Even 7man a3s are out there, showing that there's room to wiggle around in terms of "skill" or whatever you want to describe it. Theres no obligation to dps as a mainhealer in the first place exept for the opener. Theres a simple trinity to tell you that.

Healing-Healing DPS-Tank DPS

If your tanks dps, you need more heal and lose healing dps.
If your healers dps, you need migration and lose tank dps.
If your healers heal, your tank dps must go up.
4th: your dps are godly enough to compensate for the statement above or are so bad that you need more of the above.

Basically either you doing stuff wrong are you need to get gud. The "meta" healers must dps will not apply at all if your tanks are dpshungry, which is imo way better anyways, unless the cross the line they shouldn't cross and reach toward the white light at the end of the tunnel.