"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[Kolaina]

I think we were looking at this topic the wrong way. Instead of focusing on the bad players, we should start focusing on how to play suboptimaly and have fun while doing it.

Content would not get cleared, but imagine all the fun we could have!

i dont have fun wiping with no hope in sight, or dragging my feet.
sorry sir but i am not into masochism or anything else similar in nature

[Archaell]

The whole problem with everybody should play as they see fit is that if everybody would start doing this it would lead to something... interesting. But that's what the main player base wants.

It is a little bit sad that tanks and healers are not allowed to have fun, because people get angry at you even when you are doing your job... but at "wrong" pace.

[Jim_Berry]

I think we were looking at this topic the wrong way. Instead of focusing on the bad players, we should start focusing on how to play suboptimaly and have fun while doing it.

Content would not get cleared, but imagine all the fun we could have!

Well, you started this mess. Of course it would escalade.

[Jim_Berry]

The whole problem with everybody should play as they see fit is that if everybody would start doing this it would lead to something... interesting. But that's what the main player base wants.

It is a little bit sad that tanks and healers are not allowed to have fun, because people get angry at you even when you are doing your job... but at "wrong" pace.

The main player base act like everyone should be hardcore raiders, too. But that won't ever happen. Many people just feel like the negative comments from other players, even if it's not directed at them, won't be tolerated.

[Archaell]

Funny story. I had a healer in Vault once, dressed in Ironworks gear, who got angry with me for pulling the hall after the first boss. I told them that I haven't noticed that they were so undergeared... you wouldn't believe how much offended they got. I almost felt like it was my fault for their lack of gearing up.

The question is where is the line? Where is the line between playing badly in acceptable way and playing badly in unacceptable way.

Somebody playing poorly might be acceptable for one player, while totally inexcuseable for another.

I would say put in at least as much effort as your tank and healer.

[Malevicton]

With how many times now people have used "fun" to defend being willfully ignorant and/or lazy, I think it's about time to bring this back up:

This whole thread

[Elazu]

I think we were looking at this topic the wrong way. Instead of focusing on the bad players, we should start focusing on how to play suboptimaly and have fun while doing it.

Content would not get cleared, but imagine all the fun we could have!

Would certainly be a hilarious experiment. Everyone puts in as much effort as the average DF person, nothing will ever be cleared again. Wonder how quick the 200 dps people will be on the forums, crying about nobody carrying them anymore.

[Zojha]

With how many times now people have used "fun" to defend being willfully ignorant and/or lazy, I think it's about time to bring this back up:

Fun fact: The equivalent to that picture would be hacking the game to change the game code and turn it into pinball or some other game with completely different rules.

The equivalent to playing badly/lazily in games like FFXIV would be taking ages to put your cross/circle or putting it in a way that's easily intercepted and outplayed.

I wouldn't bring it up more than once for the immediate "lolz" effect. You only turn a joke into a running gag at best.

[Nestama]

Fun fact: The equivalent to that picture would be hacking the game to change the game code and turn it into pinball or some other game with completely different rules.

Or it means "whatever, I do what I want."

[Anemone_Valesti]

xD Ok Im done here