"This is my playstyle" is a poor argument for being bad.

[Archaell]

The whole problem with everybody should play as they see fit is that if everybody would start doing this it would lead to something... interesting. But that's what the main player base wants.

It is a little bit sad that tanks and healers are not allowed to have fun, because people get angry at you even when you are doing your job... but at "wrong" pace.

[Jim_Berry]

The whole problem with everybody should play as they see fit is that if everybody would start doing this it would lead to something... interesting. But that's what the main player base wants.

It is a little bit sad that tanks and healers are not allowed to have fun, because people get angry at you even when you are doing your job... but at "wrong" pace.

The main player base act like everyone should be hardcore raiders, too. But that won't ever happen. Many people just feel like the negative comments from other players, even if it's not directed at them, won't be tolerated.

[Archaell]

Funny story. I had a healer in Vault once, dressed in Ironworks gear, who got angry with me for pulling the hall after the first boss. I told them that I haven't noticed that they were so undergeared... you wouldn't believe how much offended they got. I almost felt like it was my fault for their lack of gearing up.

The question is where is the line? Where is the line between playing badly in acceptable way and playing badly in unacceptable way.

Somebody playing poorly might be acceptable for one player, while totally inexcuseable for another.

I would say put in at least as much effort as your tank and healer.

[KarstenS]

Funny story. I had a healer in Vault once, dressed in Ironworks gear.

The Vault is a pre 60 MSQ Instance, that you run a low amount of time like any other leveling instance before with your first class during leveling. On alternate classes you run it around 10 times.

Maybe it was his first or second time or he had no drop luck?

I was running the lvl 51 instance on my twink as DRK 10 times and it droppet just one accessoire. No weapon. No piece of bodygear. 10 times lvl 53 instance. 1 piece of body gear. Nothing else.

When you don't know how long this guy was playing on that level, you should turn on your brain before complaining about his gear. Especially when you are running instances that are just for leveling.

Even in lvl 60 instances you will see people that freshly hit lvl 60 and are starting to collect for gear.

Just because YOU are gearing a long time now doesn't mean anybody else do it the same amount of time.

I almost felt like it was my fault for their lack of gearing up.

Hard to know without seeing what exactly happened.

Maybe it was to much to handle for him.

Maybe you miss the fact what levelsync really means.

Maybe you are not playing as good as you think. Pulling much is easy. Knowing how to handle it correctly "as a tank" is a different thing. Its not just a healer thing

[sayafrost]

I had a run in expert with a bard not using a menuet, I did ask if he forgot it or he hates it, didn't get answer, he didn't even use foe, with all the fact that I was in as BLM (on my alt). I understand that people have their playstiles, but OMG... there still should be some things that have to be used to do your job. I always check when BRD if there is a caster and keep an eye on the healer if they are dpsing... foe is a must ._. but maybe it's just me.

Maybe it was his first or second time or he had no drop luck?

If I look on both my main and my alt.... the leveling main classes... I got 0 drops for them... after that whatever I level I try to greed everything for the other classes I am leveling, because.... for example sohm al... the shield didnt drop at all while leveling pld, got pld to 55,... got into sohm al with blm.... and LOOK shield drops....

EDIT: tho I got the hq stuff from the quests, AND if i miss something i get a nq thing from the MB or if I am still the level to be able to do I craft it alone... I don't feel comfortable if I don't have a certain ilvl when going into a dng

[RiceisNice]

The Vault is a pre 60 MSQ Instance, that you run a low amount of time like any other leveling instance before with your first class during leveling. On alternate classes you run it around 10 times.

Maybe it was his first or second time or he had no drop luck?

Ironworks is ilvl 120. If it's their first class, there's absolutely no reason not to have upgrades because the MSQ feeds you Ilvl 139 HQ gear. If it was not their first class, it looks just as bad from a different perspective because they know there are vendor sources of gear and to have the common decency to not go into a Ilvl142 dungeon in ilvl120 gear, or especially if it's not their first healer because they have gear spilling over from leveling their first healer.

Hard to know without seeing what exactly happened.

Maybe it was to much to handle for him.

Maybe you miss the fact what levelsync really means.

Maybe you are not playing as good as you think. Pulling much is easy. Knowing how to handle it correctly "as a tank" is a different thing. Its not just a healer thing

He did mention that the healer apparently got offended for being told that he was indeed undergeared.

I told them that I haven't noticed that they were so undergeared... you wouldn't believe how much offended they got.

You entirely opted out that part in your quote, and it does not make the healer look any ebtter than a tank who overpulls. They're taking a statement that possibly was not meant in offense in offense and may have gotten pissy about it. Eithercase, the healer was in ironworks, got mentioned he was "undergeared" and got offended by it. That's the same as anyone getting offended for saying they're not playing good (and especially if they know it).

[Tint]

Ironworks is ilvl 120. If it's their first class, there's absolutely no reason not to have upgrades because the MSQ feeds you Ilvl 139 HQ gear. If it was not their first class, it looks just as bad from a different perspective because they know there are vendor sources of gear and to have the common decency to not go into a Ilvl142 dungeon in ilvl120 gear, or especially if it's not their first healer because they have gear spilling over from leveling their first healer.

the loot in the vault is ilvl 142. that means you don't have to be ilvl 142. 136 (from the dungeon before) should be more than enough. was the ironworks ilvl 120 or upgraded to 130? and healers in this game are so overpowered i think 120 is fine for the vault if you know what you are doing.

[RiceisNice]

the loot in the vault is ilvl 142. that means you don't have to be ilvl 142. 136 (from the dungeon before) should be more than enough. was the ironworks ilvl 120 or upgraded to 130? and healers in this game are so overpowered i think 120 is fine for the vault if you know what you are doing.

The poster only mentioned ironworks, so I'd assume Ilvl120. If that was the case, there's really no excuse to go into a lvl 57 dungeon in full ironworks because there are upgrades outside from dungeons at that point, espesically if it's your first character. If it wasnt their first character (or even first healer), they should at least have the common decency to buy ivl 139 vendor gear that's stronger than ilvl120, or at the very least not get offended when they called out for being undergeared because they didn't take the proper measures in the first place.

[Avidria]

the loot in the vault is ilvl 142. that means you don't have to be ilvl 142. 136 (from the dungeon before) should be more than enough. was the ironworks ilvl 120 or upgraded to 130? and healers in this game are so overpowered i think 120 is fine for the vault if you know what you are doing.

It'd be tight. Trash and the last boss in the vault toss out quite a bit of damage.