Thread: Idea for 4.0 Tank Class

Originally Posted by Xenosan

But might be i'm simplifying and imagining.

Honestly, if you want to look for the real inspirations as far as roleplaying games go, a lot of stuff goes back to Dungeons & Dragons, which is where most of the "classes" of Final Fantasy (and Tactics Ogre) originated, at least thematically. Both series (along with Dragon Quest) are essentially a Japanese take on Western roleplaying games (which in turn grew out of Tolkein and wargaming). Even iconic FF "jobs" like Red Mage likely drew from things in D&D like Fighter/Magic-Users.

It's not really so simple as FF influencing Ogre or the other way around (though chronologically, things would have had to start with FF really, since even the very first FF in '87 had classes and advanced job transformations), as they're both just drawing on the long history of fantasy, so there are naturally going to be a lot of convergent ideas.

Astrologian has Final Fantasy roots as well: Time Mages (from various titles), the Astrologian in FFT (and I think in FFTA/FFTA2, but it's been awhile), and Corsairs in FFXI had card draws. XIV's setting made tying things to tarot/fortunetelling pretty natural, given the emphasis on astrology in Ishgard.

Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Wasn't dissing him or anything but was reacting with confusion to the claim that the Ogre series was the origin of many FF classes when the main "job" Final Fantasies predate the series by 1 and 3 years. The only Job that can say it originated in the Ogre series is Mechanist.

I realize. I wasn't trying to reprimand you or anything, but just sending out some more specifics because well... I'm a nerd and really like his work.

Originally Posted by Alahra

Origin stuff.

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer or through its various japanese offshoots (e.g. sword world, because they only sell d6 dice in japan).

Originally Posted by Anova

Yeah, a lot of early Jrpg creators got influenced by western tabletop gaming, either directly through dnd/warhammer

Another way to say that is that FF1 stole DnDs first monster manual. And thank god they did.