Thread: Idea for 4.0 Tank Class

Originally Posted by Alahra

Minus the dual wielding, this is the basic way I assume they'll be doing RDM. The tank role, as codified, is the easiest way to cover all of the RDM's normal kit, which includes 1) melee, 2) white/defensive magic (which takes the form of defensive cooldowns with spell names like Phalanx, drawn from FFXI and healing cooldowns and/or spells, not unlike Clemency), and 3) black/offensive magic.

While DPS or healer could work in theory for RDM, DPS loses some of the "hybrid" feel, and healer would end up strange in melee. (While other games have had melee healers, FFXIV has a history of mechanics that only target healers, requiring them to separate from the rest of the group, so a melee healer would either mean that healer was undesirable for fights with those sorts of mechanics or they could no longer include such mechanics, which would limit raid design).

Edit: To expand and counterpoint myself a little, the only reason they might not go tank is more of an aesthetic one. While RDM has usually worn "light" melee armor, including chainmail, they usually haven't worn the really heavy stuff (like the Wolfram tank set or the Noct set, for example). Most tank gear in the game isn't all that heavy anymore and wouldn't be a huge thematic stretch for RDM, but if they ever move back to an art style with larger pieces of tank gear being common, that might steer them away from making RDM a tank class (unless they did something weird with their gearing, anyway).

They don't need to explicitly make a melee healer. They could just make a melee damage stance for a RDM healer:

Heals are powered via MND by default. They use cleric stance to power moderate damage ranged magic that can be cast from a safe distance, but require MP. AoE damage would be done through their caster stance. They use a new melee version of cleric stance that swaps MND/STR to empower stronger, single target, melee attacks that use AP. May also grant a damage reduction of some sort. This doesn't conflict with their MP usage for heals, but requires melee range and all of the usual dangers and inconveniences that come with it. Now you've got your hybrid RDM that still fits properly into the healer role that's been established. All 3 separate stances have a purpose, Heal stance = heals, caster stance = AoE + safe ranged damage, melee stance = single target + better defenses.

The problem with Tank/DPS RDM is that the white magic is going to have to be weak and/or forced, like it currently is for all tanks and casters that have some white magic at their disposal. The healer roles are already set up to do some decent damage. This allows a RDM healer to be able to perform all 3 classic RDM roles well enough to feel like a good fit.

Despite the need for heavy armor, I also think Tank is the best role for RDM. It's the only role in the current meta that can effectively combine dps, healing, and at least some tankiness. It's the same way they designed DRK in a lot of ways. But the best example is probably warrior. It is the only job able to do all 3 roles in a solo fight against TEX. The alternative is a support dps like Bard but only melee.

Anyway, I like the idea but I would like to know how it fits in to the current meta. Warrior is a tank with huge hp buffers and burst dps. Dark knight is our token magic tank also with burst dps. Paladin is our physical tank with a smattering of healing. How would Red Mage fit? Is it a magic tank with healing? Or do you imagine it some combination of the 3 (able to switch roles depending on stances, like AST for healers)?

Originally Posted by FOOLK1LLAH

It's odd, but DPS needs a sword wielding job.

If the rumors are true and next expansion we are getting both Red Mage and Samurai I seriously doubt they are both going to be dps jobs. One is probably going to end up as a tank. Red Mage will probably be the sword dps.