MCH..The dying breed?

[echoica]

There is nothing wrong with mch dps. We have one in our static and his numbers are stupid high. You really need to take a look at how you're playing and figure out more optimal rotations. Yes other factors contribute such as party comp and uptime on mp/tp regen but to be removed from the group I'd say it's more than that.

[RussW]

The ability is there. You really have to think ahead about how much time you have to attack the boss before it "disappears" so you can maximize the amount of time you have to attack.

There is no rotation for MCH except for the opener, after that its all priority and working in OGCDs. Hot shot is high on priority however lead shot, being a decent dot, does not proc anything like dots for bard, when it drops off wait to reapply it at the same time as headgraze, blank, or gauss shot.

Based on the 180 and 90 second CDs you come across a point in the fight where you do have reload, rapid fire, wildfire, b4b, and hawks eye back up. You can get your opener off minus hyper charge, raging strikes and maybe ricochet. Another time you will have all that up with raging strikes and maybe hypercharge depending. If im on an unlucky string of non-procs Ill go ahead and use ricochet on CD but ideally i want it with my rapidfire.

Maybe this helped, maybe you already knew it. I figured Id post.

[Jonnycbad]

Is MCH's +20% damage trait still bugged for the turret?

[Greywolfamakir]

While both BRD and MCN are currently (@ the current gear level) fairly balanced with BRD having the slight edge due to better party utility for cutting edge progression, I feel that they may become a dying breed in either the next gear update or the one after.

Due to gear scaling and with BRD already having the slight edge, it will overpower MCN even in the DPS department. BRD scales well off all stats due to having no AA during WM stance. MCN is limited by SPD due to the turrets not scaling off the stat, but the turrets do scale slightly better off DET, but not nearly enough to compensate for any level of bad gear layouts between the two classes. On top of that, BRD has amazing CRIT scaling due to it's class mechanics, where as the only mechanic MCN could benefit from is a combination of SPD/CRT to push more out of it's Wildfire Burst, but having SPD so detrimental to the rest of the MCN abilities is not good.

Due to the current DPS levels we are seeing +1000 or more depending on the encounter, a 5-10% difference between the two could be a whopping 50-100 DPS, and given the current increase per gear level increase, will be closer to 200-300 DPS in favor of BRD not including the better utility even in a 1Mage + 2 Healer setup due to Foes + RoD.

So while MCN is viable in cutting edge currently, it wont be. It will be SMN VS BLM 3.0

+1

Currently, MCH and BRD are pretty balanced, but BRD bring a better performance when the gear is low (Foe + Battle Voice help a lot with DPS checks) and BRD scales a bit better than MCH, for example, if You are searching for "Speed Runs" Imo BRDs are better than MCH (Foe + Battle Voice again),

If foe keeps current state, I mean, +10% magic damage, 20% with BV and MCH don't get an improved version of some skills like Hypercharge, Rend Mind, Dissmantle or Turrets, BRD is better than MCH when you are looking "Best in slot" party member.

Note: I have killed A1, A2 and A3 savage like MCH a lot of times, I like MCH, but I know that BRD brings a better performance than MCH for party and helps a lot with DPS checks. I don't like BRD because looks pretty boring for me, you know, keeps dots, keep straight shot, use EA,use BL when ready, thats all.

[Jonnycbad]

Yeah BRD is more specialized. MCH is kinda of spread out all over with their mini virus. I think Leg/Foot Graze are wasted abilities. I think one or both of them should be given 100 potency so it's an added oGCD damage ability like Suppressive Fire/Head Graze are. I think Dismantle and Rend Mind are kind of pointless. 5% for 10 seconds is not very noticable, at least give it a damage component or something. I think Heartbreak should also be a shorter recast...30s vs BRD's 12s is depressing. It's weaker and a longer recast :/

[Kurique]

Use more Bishop.

[RussW]

If youre like me and find Bard to be incredibly boring and want a physical ranged class then Machinist is the obvious choice. lol As been stated if there was a huge, huge gap between one or the other, MCH simply would not have been involved in the world 2nd clear of Alex Savage.

[Yhoiryo]

And how many BRD's actually use Foes? :P

All joking aside MCH feels a lot better to me and I love it. I played BRD a bit back in the day and it always felt like more of a sustained DPS with utility, making sure DoTs were up and you were managing songs.

I know it's hard to compare considering I only ever got BRD to 50 and left it there, but something about MCH just feels a whole lot better, even in lvl50 content, especially when you're able to get your "burst" rotation. Being able to take a huge chunk out of single targets or even spread it around to multiple targets is a fantastic feeling.

The only real gripe I have with MCH is once you've popped all your abilities, you're left in sort of a lull, where you're more reliant on rng and procs well managing oGCDs, which isn't bad but when you're constantly getting no procs off it gets a little annoying.

I'm hooked on MCH though and plan to stay with it as my main DPS job.

[Cligue]

MCH pulls plenty of dps, it sounds like you got kicked because you could not play the job to its full potential. Sorry but the truth is harsh.

[Velhart]

Elysium was the world first group for A4S iirc. They ran with a BRD not a Machinist. You might be thinking of Lucrezia who used a MCH to get world second.

BRD and MCH are both viable and have similar dps output assuming similar proficiency.

Woops, you are right. Thank you for the correction.

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MCH and BRD DPS for the most part are pretty balanced, maybe a small tweak at most in terms of damage potency. The bigger issue that should be addressed is balance in their support role. Right now one is desired over the other depending on the group set up. Its extremely hard to properly balance at this point. Both in the support department have advantage/disadvantages, but it feels like SE set it up for one to be desired over another given the situation intentionally. I am not sure if that was the right way to go.