MCH..The dying breed?

[RussW]

If youre like me and find Bard to be incredibly boring and want a physical ranged class then Machinist is the obvious choice. lol As been stated if there was a huge, huge gap between one or the other, MCH simply would not have been involved in the world 2nd clear of Alex Savage.

[Yhoiryo]

And how many BRD's actually use Foes? :P

All joking aside MCH feels a lot better to me and I love it. I played BRD a bit back in the day and it always felt like more of a sustained DPS with utility, making sure DoTs were up and you were managing songs.

I know it's hard to compare considering I only ever got BRD to 50 and left it there, but something about MCH just feels a whole lot better, even in lvl50 content, especially when you're able to get your "burst" rotation. Being able to take a huge chunk out of single targets or even spread it around to multiple targets is a fantastic feeling.

The only real gripe I have with MCH is once you've popped all your abilities, you're left in sort of a lull, where you're more reliant on rng and procs well managing oGCDs, which isn't bad but when you're constantly getting no procs off it gets a little annoying.

I'm hooked on MCH though and plan to stay with it as my main DPS job.

[Cligue]

MCH pulls plenty of dps, it sounds like you got kicked because you could not play the job to its full potential. Sorry but the truth is harsh.

[Velhart]

Elysium was the world first group for A4S iirc. They ran with a BRD not a Machinist. You might be thinking of Lucrezia who used a MCH to get world second.

BRD and MCH are both viable and have similar dps output assuming similar proficiency.

Woops, you are right. Thank you for the correction.

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MCH and BRD DPS for the most part are pretty balanced, maybe a small tweak at most in terms of damage potency. The bigger issue that should be addressed is balance in their support role. Right now one is desired over the other depending on the group set up. Its extremely hard to properly balance at this point. Both in the support department have advantage/disadvantages, but it feels like SE set it up for one to be desired over another given the situation intentionally. I am not sure if that was the right way to go.

[RiceisNice]

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It'd be fine if it didn't fall into the trap of the meta (since both classes technically share gear, a single player can interchangeably play the two if desired, or pick one over the other with preference over playstyle). As it stands, BRD is just objectively better when it comes to cutting edge because of the accuracy debuff for the healers (until they introduce 3.2 gear with accuracy materia anyway) and foe being better than hypercharge when regen isn't needed at all in a typical composition (speaking outside of progression anyway).

[Velhart]

It'd be fine if it didn't fall into the trap of the meta (since both classes technically share gear, a single player can interchangeably play the two if desired, or pick one over the other with preference over playstyle). As it stands, BRD is just objectively better when it comes to cutting edge because of the accuracy debuff for the healers (until they introduce 3.2 gear with accuracy materia anyway) and foe being better than hypercharge when regen isn't needed at all in a typical composition (speaking outside of progression anyway).

Its funny, Foe's Requiem should work more like Hypercharge, and Hypercharge should work more like Foe's Requiem. Put them both on oGCD with a timer without draining MP and increase both Mag/Phy attack by a certain percentage.

Sounds good on paper, but it would be hard to change a lot of the abilities at this point.

[RiceisNice]

Its funny, Foe's Requiem should work more like Hypercharge, and Hypercharge should work more like Foe's Requiem. Put them both on oGCD with a timer without draining MP and increase both Mag/Phy attack by a certain percentage.

Sounds good on paper, but it would be hard to change a lot of the abilities at this point.

I'm all for homogenizing their support (considering they are competiting for the same role of "support dps") as long as their gameplay isn't homogenized ...unfortunately the opposite is in effect.

[Velhart]

I'm all for homogenizing their support (considering they are competiting for the same role of "support dps") as long as their gameplay isn't homogenized ...unfortunately the opposite is in effect.

Its mostly because of WM/GB. If you take those out of the equation, while still similar, feel different enough to be called their own. Just my take on it.

What I want mostly out of MCH is a better form of sustained damage and better balance of support with BRD. Will we ever get that? I wouldn't put my money on it.

[Jonnycbad]

Wish they would make WM/GB more like Dreadwyrm trance in that they are temporary stances that last for like 15seconds, so most of the time, we play like our pre 52 selves, and for 15seconds can use the new abilities (modifying their recasts of course).

[Jonnycbad]

Anyone have a decent glamour for MCH? I tried a Mustadio look, but there's no closed shirt body pieces...best was like a hemp tunic died yellow, and a pair of blue dyed kecks.

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