Seriously?

[Nestama]

It's not the game's job to teach players how to play any more than past the basics.

It's the community's job.

So who's going to teach us how to do 3.1 content? It is no ones job to teach players anything. It's the player who wants/needs help's (don't care if grammar is wrong here) job to make the effort to better themselves. Not someone who is experienced to snap and then tell them what they should be doing.

If a player chooses not to read the tool tips for their job or figure out how mechanics work after the first wipe, then there is a very high chance that same player will not listen to any given advice the community may give them, if anyone were to try.

[Malevicton]

I'm not a bad player, but the vault final boss does need some adjustments. This fight is a bit random on where/who he targets his ground aoe and it can make it hard/impossible to dodge the knights.

Just run north/south. :P

[sayafrost]

I must say I was lucky with leveling my bard (still have to run few libraries) and didn't get really much wipes... but I agree lot of times dps forget about the sable price in the aery, or don't know where to run in the vault (I am still psychologically preparing to try heal vault; as I am an average healer). I have no problems dodging in the vault. When you run it several times there is a patern; I start failing those when I am tired and run it to many times, which means I am taking a break from it.

But I noticed lot of times when there is a wipe is because the mechanics aren't followed or simply ignored.

[Ashkendor]

It's not the game's job to teach players how to play any more than past the basics.

It's the community's job.

No. I'm sorry. This "it takes a village" mentality is just a cheese tactic to try to shift blame off of a bad player and on to basically everyone they've ever come into contact with. It's not anyone's job to go out of their way to teach other people how to (insert class here). That's not to say that veteran players shouldn't try to help - I for one am more than willing to give advice for classes and encounters I have an understanding of - but seriously at some point we have to hold the player themselves accountable for bad play. You can get so much information on how a class works simply by reading the tooltips on your skills, yet so many people (and it's obvious which ones) don't do it. There are many people in the community that go above and beyond, taking huge chunks of time out of their lives to make instructional videos for everything from rotations to raids and put them out there for everyone to see and benefit from. It's not their job; they do it because they figured something out and want to help others do the same. If a player isn't willing to go out and do 10 minutes' worth of footwork on Google to find a rotation for their class or a strategy for the raid they want to clear, that's 100% on them. The information is out there if people only take the time to go look for it instead of insisting on "playing how they want."

[loreleidiangelo]

I consider myself a pretty skilled player but I don't give a shit if they nerf leveling dungeons. "Making them harder", as people are clamoring for in this thread, would just mean that the players capable of doing them would drop them as soon as they got them in roulette, and the players incapable of finding a group to clear them would just use FATEs to level instead.

I guess what I'm asking is, why do people think harder leveling dungeons, of all things, would actually force the playerbase to "git gud"? Half your rotations from 50-59 aren't even complete or correct anyway; I cleared up to AS3 as SMN and even then I admit that I didn't bother reading or practicing a proper rotation until 60.

I guess I just don't see what the fuss is, and I say this as a player that's carried plenty of "bads" in my lifetime and is generally in favor of things like public parsers.

[XiXiQ]

I'm just glad they added exp to the old 50 dungeons.... the more content available for levelling without doing the same handful over and over is a godsend. Such a huge wad of content was going begging.

[Yunona]

I'm a 60 AST and have seen "bad players" but um, if you passed 60, and you are just grinding your other jobs or whatever. Why do you care? Stop whining yourselves. Its a game and bad players get punished through kicking, if they nerf it they nerf it. Its not going to ruin the game for you is it? Cause if it does you need to chill out. You are just as bad as them for whining, why not teach players since you all are apparently so avid to complain, or maybe you don't have the time, you need to whine about 7 other things. Just teach people, or be MLG pro somewhere else. You can express your opinion of course, but you can also use your time to help players, I run low level dungeons and such to help players who are learning, just so when they do hit the HW content they won't kill me.

[Yunona]

snip.

Oh this MMO you're playing, its a solo game so you can go and be awesome as heck with your powerful pro skillz of doom, don't worry you got this brah.

[Yunona]

Its hard to learn, it is, I was a shitty bard, I know it, but I got fired up and learned. In the end, it took experienced players to help me learn, now I'm focusing on my alt to make her a NIN/MNK for fun, I know how hard its going to be for me, but its the fun of game, I enjoy it enough to take this risk and all the people saying "git gud" normally need a reality check, you had to learn too, and some people learn differently. You can't seriously hate them that much, sometimes there is no excuse, but other times, you just take it with a grain of salt, and help others. Stop whining, and just lend a hand, if they don't take your advice, then oh well you tried, and maybe you thought someone else something useful.

[Inferiae]

I'm a 60 AST and have seen "bad players" but um, if you passed 60, and you are just grinding your other jobs or whatever. Why do you care?

I'm just asking to have fun while playing a game, is that too much?