Seriously?

[Fynlar]

Sometimes DPS had issues with killing the plumes as fast as people would like... Most groups don't even group at the same rock for Aerial Blast.

That may have something to do with the fact that the position of you + the rocks has absolutely no bearing on Aerial Blast damage. Only thing that matters is how many rocks are left standing.

Hiding behind the rocks does nothing.

[ExKage]

That may have something to do with the fact that the position of you + the rocks has absolutely no bearing on Aerial Blast damage. Only thing that matters is how many rocks are left standing.

Hiding behind the rocks does nothing.

What I meant is that they're not grouped up well for the aoe heal that the healer casts (if they even have the MP for it). Of the last 10 Garuda NMs I've done while leveling a DPS or a tank, half of them had one or two of the 4 people not get the aoe heal that Friction just nearly kills them. Healer tries to heal while not taking care to see that Mistral Song is up and Garuda just blasts the healer to death.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

You know, the Vault was one of those dungeons that was actually challenging and because of it it was not a snoozefest. I leveled TWO healing jobs there, there is no excuse for the nerf. Glad I leveled all the jobs I wanted before this happens lol. This is so bad indeed though.

[Wildsprite]

You know, the Vault was one of those dungeons that was actually challenging and because of it it was not a snoozefest.

Problem is we have far too many players who don't care if it is a snoozefest or not. will do things that cause wipes then try to blame everyone else for it.
this is why we can't have nice things.

really hoping we see less of the lazy and egotistical in the exploritory missions

[Adire]

You know, the Vault was one of those dungeons that was actually challenging and because of it it was not a snoozefest. I leveled TWO healing jobs there, there is no excuse for the nerf. Glad I leveled all the jobs I wanted before this happens lol. This is so bad indeed though.

I think Vault is suffering from the CT effect. When I leveled SCH back near HW's launch, I had no trouble with Vault because the other people knew what they were doing. Now that I'm trying to level AST, the 2nd and last bosses are disastrous because people are clueless. It seems like the players coming through this late into launch are just awful and not very bright.

I'm all for more challenging dungeons, but let's be realistic, if your group doesn't know what they're doing, you can pull more than your share of the weight and get nothing just because of that. Challenging Vault was fun while it lasted but now it's just cringeworthy with how terrible people are pretty often.

Hopefully the next 2 dungeons won't be a snoozefest (hopefully not just annoying like Neverreap too), the cycle of good players early on and bad players coming through late will likely repeat again.

[TiaHariberux3]

No wonder why people don't "git gud" I just don't understand it never had any problems with these trials/dungeons even in early access rarely wipes

[Iromi]

No wonder why people don't "git gud" I just don't understand it never had any problems with these trials/dungeons even in early access rarely wipes

Yep. There is no need to improve according to them, they can just herp derp their way through stuff and expect others to carry them. This is exactly why I refuse to play with randoms in DF and ONLY bring people I know. I am not going to help SE keep subs with bads by carrying them, nor will my friends. I'd rather wait for my friends to do stuff then play this carry people DF thing SE tries to enforce.

[Mug]

This is one of my biggest annoyances with how they're dealing with the game. They add all these daily things, and instead of focusing on making them an enjoyble experience, they're doing everything in their power to make them mind-numbingly easy so that everyone can clear them with little effort to prevent "stress". So instead of dungeons being a fun and rewarding experience where you can test your skill, it becomes just another mindless chore you have to endure to get X gear. Considering this is the main focus on the game, that most of us spend a majority of our time on, they should be more careful when making these decisions.

I understand that there's a problem with people abandoning "harder" duties, but there are other ways of handling this. Like giving rewards proportionate to the difficulty of the dungeon for instance.

[Alex_Lenderson]

I also wish they wouldn't make the easiest way to get tomes incredibly face roll easy. (Expert Rolutte) Why not put more tomes in Ex Primals? Prevent it from being 'farmed' but give 1/x day bonus +50 eso tomes. Might get some more rav parties in PF that way.

[Alex_Lenderson]

The funny thing is I don't even actually see people being awful on a regular basis. Sure once or twice and a lot of sub-optimal play but not something that would lead to party failure.