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    Lan_Mantear's Avatar
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    Lan Mantear
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    Faerie
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Kydi View Post
    My guess/hope, VIT will be the main source of attack power.
    That better not be the case... 'cause I didn't even bother to get VIT ESOs Accessories.
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I just want Parry to be worth something, I need those stacks of Wrath to give me more mitigation ><.
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    Goffard Gaffgarion
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 73
    Just as the OP alluded to, I'm not so sure it's something to look forward to.. The skeptic in me is thinking they're going to nerf Slaying Accessory loadouts for tanks.. Now that Hybrids are out the window, they've got to kill the full Slaying right-side as well.

    My fear is that they're going to make STR provide diminishing returns in the calculations of Attack Power (a STR cap). The only way to increase the STR cap is with higher Weapon Damage (ie: wait for higher iLVL Weapons in a future patch). I'd hate to see it but honestly it's the most likely thing I can imagine.

    It'd give them complete control of tank DPS predictability throughout each patch.
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    Jugem Mumei
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    Tonberry
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    Gladiator Lv 37
    Who knows for sure, but obviously they intend to diminish the value of melding STR.

    Reddit surprisingly had some interesting possibilities like

    Eliminate the value of STR, make attack power scale with VIT (so we go from the getting too much value from two primary stats to only having 1)
    Decrease the value of STR, increase the value of WD to compensate
    Decrease the value of STR, increase the amount of STR tanks gain on the left side to compensate
    Decrease the value of STR, increase enmity modifiers to compensate
    Decrease the value of STR, increase enmity in tank stance to compensate (so force us into tank stance)

    They'll probably use this opportunity to normalize tank DPS to whatever they think is right since in any of those cases there's no way to appreciably change it by switching gearsets.
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    Last edited by eagledorf; 10-26-2015 at 07:24 AM.
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    Alahra's Avatar
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    My current best guess is that we'll see their damage calculations factor in both STR and VIT, probably something like 40% STR, 60% VIT or so. What they said was pretty vague though so it's hard to tell. I don't see them going full VIT since left side tank gear still has STR on it.
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    If they're changing it so we scale off VIT instead of STR I really hope we're gonna get compensated for all the eso we spent on slaying accessories.. I have like maybe 3 fending accessories at or above i200, I'd hate to be using STR accs when STR is useless to us, I'd feel like a drg running around in aiming accessories >_<
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    Hayward's Avatar
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    Hayward Timberwolf
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    Adamantoise
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Cabalabob View Post
    If they're changing it so we scale off VIT instead of STR I really hope we're gonna get compensated for all the eso we spent on slaying accessories.. I have like maybe 3 fending accessories at or above i200, I'd hate to be using STR accs when STR is useless to us, I'd feel like a drg running around in aiming accessories >_<
    Sorry, but that's on you. No one put a gun to your head and made you pick out the wrong accessories (unless, of course, you have MNK and/or DRG at 60).

    If this means VIT will affect damage output (and hopefully enmity generation and parrying effect), I'm all about it. All that would be left is to catch some tanks up on tanking fundamentals.
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    Last edited by Hayward; 10-26-2015 at 08:56 AM.

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    DarioSkydragon's Avatar
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    Dario Skydragon
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    Behemoth
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Sorry, but its not only about DPS. When you tank something with full str acc, like A1S or A2S, every move counts and one mistake can be your doom. Its a incredible feeling.

    Its not "wrong accessories", its a way to play.
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    Ethel Stone
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    Shiva
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by DarioSkydragon View Post
    Sorry, but its not only about DPS. When you tank something with full str acc, like A1S or A2S, every move counts and one mistake can be your doom. Its a incredible feeling.

    Its not "wrong accessories", its a way to play.
    > one mistake can be your doom.


    Should be like that anyway. Bosses should be tank destroyers, and tanks should not semi dps
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    Tyrial Highguard
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    Sargatanas
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hayward View Post
    Sorry, but that's on you. No one put a gun to your head and made you pick out the wrong accessories (unless, of course, you have MNK and/or DRG at 60).

    If this means VIT will affect damage output (and hopefully enmity generation and parrying effect), I'm all about it. All that would be left is to catch some tanks up on tanking fundamentals.
    SE forced us into this position by imposing heavy DPS checks and making weapon skills and self heals scale off of STR (attack power). In the current meta (as it's been discussed many times) you're effectively neutering yourself by running with any more VIT than what is absolutely necessary.

    So yes, if they class lock STR accessories they should be doing something to compensate people who purchased accessories that they can no longer use.
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