Thread: 3.1 : Astrologian "adjustments''

1. No. A thoughtful approach can be taken to ensure balance. Flat out saying that NO change can be done is completely short sighted and unfounded.
2. Astrologians don't need any "niche" or near useless skills tyvm. Stella should have a dps potency buff or some other more useful pve effect. There are pvp skills and spells that are unlocked by doing pvp-- I'll take one of those in exchange for stella please.
3. Strangely agree with you on this one-- although would prefer reduced MP cost, or "next cast is instant and doesn't expire until you use it"
4. None of Astrolgians cooldowns are "insanely" strong with the exception of synergy-- and I'd venture to say it is just "strong". AST is neither a powerhouse in healing, nor dps-- it is more or less just adequate.
5. Spear needs help. It needs to work on all cooldowns even if they have already been used. I believe that is the way it was supposed to work from the start
6. Ewer MP regen potency should be a bit higher.
7. Expanded cards should reach EVERYONE in the party no mater what end of discussion. Especially considering you have likely went to great lengths shuffling/spreading/drawing/royal roading in order to set up the combo.
8. I disagree entirely with this Vlady. It is not the same thing. Galvanize only overrides another galvanize if the effect is is more potent-- ergo no harm in that happening, same with adlo. The cards overriding each other is entirely different especially when an ast decides to expand a bole onto the entire party mid-fight for no apparent reason, when I have already placed an expanded balance on the entire party and used celestial oppostion. It is completely maddening when this happens.
9. AST is not the strongest single target healer lol. I daresay SCH is, with WHM a very close second with its amazing toolkit of Bene, Tetra, Divine Seal and Presence of Mind.

Vlady-- you seem to think there is this underground movement of AST's that are cracking their knuckles and trying to find ways to take the healing mantle away from the WHM. This will never happen. Last stat from SE I read had only 3% of the healers clearing A4 being AST. If AST was as OP as you claim it to be, that stat would be much different, and ppl would have abandoned WHM in droves the way tanks abandoned PLD when 3.0 came out in favour of DRK.

Originally Posted by OpheliaHeartilly

9. AST is not the strongest single target healer lol. I daresay SCH is, with WHM a very close second with its amazing toolkit of Bene, Tetra, Divine Seal and Presence of Mind.

Not going to bother with SCH vs AST (lolfairy) but Essential Dignity far outperforms Tetra, Synastry outperforms Divine Seal on a linear fight, a good AST can use Time Dilation too which can't really be compared with anything WHM has just like you can't really compare PoM/Benediction. There's a ton of contextual stuff here but having two extra skills at the cost of your two other skills being inferior to AST's isn't exactly what I'd call 'very close second with its amazing toolkit', when your base single-target toolkit is already inferior. But again, this is compared to a linear fight which will literally never happen unless Faust makes a return.

Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I thought Essential Dignity is the Benediction counterpart?

Only when it crits for 16k. Only then.

More seriously: wouldn't it make more sense to compare it to Tetragrammaton considering Benediction is not usually used regularly whereas Tetragrammaton and Essential Dignity both are? Either way you are comparing a 40 second cooldown ability that should have a 700 potency worth on average when used correctly to a 60 second cooldown ability worth 700 potency by default and a full heal on 300second cooldown. Essential Dignity on its own isn't even that far off from Tetra and Benediction together.

Hmmm... Or maybe everyone stop making ast into whm/sch??

Go read the entire thread and all i see is that people ripping off whm or sch skills and want mimic versions...NO STOP

Its about time we stop compairing whm/sch to ast and actually have ideas to seperate us from our healer counterparts, not copy there skills or make a wish lost of skills we want like theres... For example this is what i see

Gravity to be like holy....or gravity with heavy o.O like wtf people why..why..why

Please for the love of ast find ways so we are NOT comparied to whm/sch..... Once we all can stop doing this AST would be soo much better

Originally Posted by OpheliaHeartilly

The only thing Essential Dignity has going for it is the 40 second cooldown. The variable potency rewards a peculiar healer mentality in some that you need to watch your tanks HP deplete with your finger hovering on the key for ED in order to use it when they drop to near death. The only reason you can say it outperforms Tetra is because you get to use it more often per fight, but unless the tanks HP is 50% or below (give or take) Benefic II has the same potency and is likely more appropriate than standing there with a "wait for it... wait for it... BAM ED!" As for Synastry outperforming Divine Seal... I guess? I use Synastry most often for the buff to healing power rather than the "heal two targets at once" benefit. For an AST outside a raid environment healing two targets at once is infrequently required, and when it is, its usually multiple targets that need to be healed and an aoe heal covers that. As an AST myself, I am all too familiar with the "whm and sch are amazing" rhetoric followed by the subsequent "but... Synastry is the best healing cooldown in the game" type answer. I realize after that answer though, I've played my ace, and the rest of my hand is a little "meh".

About Essential Dignity - If you're using basically on cooldown and with the tank down 12% HP, it'll outperform Tetra on cooldown. There's some semantics involved but if you're using it on a tank with 25% HP loss only, ED will outperform Tetra with notably less overheal too thanks to the variable nature of the ability. ED is just easier to use and it'll beat Tetra in most scenarios. And hey, it's a free Benefic or Benefic II every 40 seconds. More to love.

On paper, Synastry provides the best single target burst. You can basically turn every Benefic into a Benefic II when healing a tank which is amazing for the AST's MP. Or turn Benefic II into the equivalent of a mini Benediction (1,092 potency says hi!) every 90s. It has a longer a cooldown but the single target implications (or two target implications) is very potent. To me it serves a different purpose of being able to revitalize a tank very fast compared to the more general purpose Divine Seal.

Originally Posted by OpheliaHeartilly

Stuff

Synastry buff itself also works on single target, to be fair, turning any direct heals into 68% (1.0 * 1.2 * 1.4). I never said Synastry is the best healing cooldown personally, and I don't even think it is, but it is great in the two things it can do. Just like how Divine Seal is vastly superior when it comes to boosting AoE healing and I'd pick Divine Seal over Synastry any day in an AoE setup.

And why would I wait with Essential Dignity when I can cast a heal, ED right after and laugh as the netcode lag is so real it'll heal with a potency higher than it should be healing at? Or even better, juggle ED with Aspected Benefic and Cleric Stance. The behavior is only peculiar when you grow in the mindset '<100% = bad' and idle just for the sake of idling, but I wouldn't even bother using ED above 50% unless I know I absolutely need to before things go sour given it can crit for big numbers too.

Originally Posted by Yhisa

Hmmm... Or maybe everyone stop making ast into whm/sch??

Go read the entire thread and all i see is that people ripping off whm or sch skills and want mimic versions...NO STOP

Its about time we stop compairing whm/sch to ast and actually have ideas to seperate us from our healer counterparts, not copy there skills or make a wish lost of skills we want like theres... For example this is what i see

Gravity to be like holy....or gravity with heavy o.O like wtf people why..why..why

Please for the love of ast find ways so we are NOT comparied to whm/sch..... Once we all can stop doing this AST would be soo much better

But yet you are allowed to make comparisons and whimsically turn astro threads into compare to white/scholar threads?