Thread: 3.1 : Astrologian "adjustments''

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

When will that myth finally die...?
Oh, and about WHM MP-management through procs...

/shrug. Did a quick search, ended up on a maybe-not-updated wiki page that said LA is 60 potency. Checked XIVDB, it says 80 (Same as Shroud). So you're right.

I don't really think you can compare Freecure and the type of RNG AST deals with. Cure either will, or will not make Cure II free, and save you... around 10% of your MP pool? Freecure has a real and palpable effect on your MP management, and you get it fairly passively by just casting your main spells. It's a pretty great thing.

Say an AST needs Ewer... they might get Spire instead. Then Spire again. Spear, Spear, Bole. Balance!

I'm also not my group's AST, and I'm not pretending to speak for all ASTs. The point of my post earlier was to outline why AST SHOULD have lower MP costs than the other classes, not complain about their tools. I also think AST is in a pretty good spot.

Originally Posted by Mirili

About freecure and AST MP-management

Thing is, you can get some serious bad luck as WHM, too. For example, it's entirely possible to spam cures for, say, 2 minutes straight without getting a single freecure-proc. I get so 'lucky' at times... It's more like 5-6%, btw. AST is 20% cheaper by default, if I didn't mess up my calculation. So while it does save a lot of MP, it's not as great as people make it out to be imho. And yes, I'm aware that Assize exists.
I heal with a very competent AST and through her, I can't see how the class has MP problems and needs even lower MP-costs or something like that... Actually, she seems to be better off than I am at times (like when I get lucky again...). Maybe I'm biased because of my healing partner (and some other stuff, for that matter), but...

Well, as I said before, I REALLY hope it's only a slight adjustment to the card system and nothing game breaking.

While the shields in Noct are underwhelming, the issue with replacing a SCH with an AST has never been the shields. It's the fact that they can't pump out as much DPS in a sustainable way, and that they don't provide latent healing via fairy.

I'd like the "Ascend" in combat trait removing, and the in combatness to be innate like Arcanist Resurrection.

WHM's have the trait as their base class offers the spell to PLD's, SE currently do not want PLD's to be able to combat rezz.
ACN has no trait, at all, although the trait is deactivated in PVP for SMN's as they can't even rezz.

AST is a JOB, which offers no spells/skills/abilities to any other class/job in the game, our Ascend should from the level we get it, be an in combat rezz, instead of a useless unneccesary trait. I don't know what trait to suggest in return, but we really really don't need this crappy one >.<

Originally Posted by Pomelo

I'd like the "Ascend" in combat trait removing, and the in combatness to be innate like Arcanist Resurrection.

WHM's have the trait as their base class offers the spell to PLD's, SE currently do not want PLD's to be able to combat rezz.

Well, I tell you a secret. I don't care why that trait exists - I would like a useful one for my WHM as well instead of combat rezz. Talked to a friend about this quite some time ago. I really don't see why we should be the only ones stuck with this utterly useless trait. Give PLD some other cross class skill if you want...

But then again, if I look at what we got as 'compensation' for loosing two really nice traits, I lost faith in SE's ability to imagine useful traits for WHM...

Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Well, I tell you a secret. I don't care why that trait exists - I would like a useful one for my WHM as well instead of combat rezz. Talked to a friend about this quite some time ago. I really don't see why we should be the only ones stuck with this utterly useless trait. Give PLD some other cross class skill if you want...

But then again, if I look at what we got as 'compensation' for loosing two really nice traits, I lost faith in SE's ability to imagine useful traits for WHM...

I liked your post, because it doesn't exactly change anything if PLD can rezz, its a chunk of mana and most boss attacks interrupt casts anyway...PLD doesn't get swift/surecasts...
WHM did get shafted with quicker stoneskin :/ But the Medica for less mana is a good one...xD

Really just needs Nocturnal buffs. Or Scholar nerfs. Which I know isn't fun, but AST and WHM are comparable enough. The issue is that a Scholar is more or less irreplaceable as a second healer for PVE. I know people want the ability to swap Sects in combat, but Square has shown they aren't really comfortable messing with the healing paradigm they have in place, so it seems unlikely.

Maybe they should just remove Cleric Stance from the Cross-list, and give every healer their own version of Cleric Stance. Then the SCH version can make the fairy do DPS when it's on instead of being a non-stop free heal, and they can easily adjust it to account for differences in healer DPS.

Nocturnal needs a sizeable nerf in PVP if it gets buffed (and honestly even if it doesn't), though. Instant cast 600 potency is overpowered. Doubly so if they want Wolves' Den to be rejuvenated.

Originally Posted by Carlbuncle

What AST really needs is some kind of adjustment to Luminiferous Aether for their Aggro generation or some kind of Aggro generation adjustment. The amount of Aggro an AST generates trying to keep the party alive in A3S and A4S is way too high and Luminiferous Aether as it is currently does a poor job of alleviating that stress.

I've seen this happen here and there, depending on how nasty it goes with the healing requirements of a given attempt and how much the MT tried to maximize their DPS. (And it also depends on if there's a NIN or not). If you have a good MT who does all of their tanky duties well but doesn't create an unnecessarily high aggro ceiling for the sake of it, but who focuses on DPS maximization - AST can creep pretty damn close on the hate at times. Nothing you can't remedy with some extra care, but the difference between Shroud ends up being pretty huge in practice.

As far as AST fixes go - barring some Noct fixes, I'd make Shuffle be on a 30s CD so it'd be up for every Draw (and maybe making it so you can't re-draw the same card), and would also give CO some other effect (5-10% MP restored?), and that would be it. A QoL fix would be making the CU HoT apply instantly, without having you wait on next tick, as is the case with stuff like Soil as well. Would just make casual use of the skill easier, so you could get the HoT up and resume DPSing better.