Thread: post 1.19 reviw by MMORPG.com

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Originally Posted by Pyrix

This article is pretty much spot on. More or less.

I agree with DDC, first post person.

I like to lurk mostly. More interested in reading other people posts than making my own most of the time. Plenty of threads have posts that say what I think anyway.

Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

okay way to sound like every other tard who doesn't know about the dev swap and how they had

1st of all, please use quotation marks or something that makes it clear when you are quoting and when are stating your own opinion. It makes your posts easier to read. No, I'm not trying to be a jerk or grammar nazi (man my last post had so many errors that I actually found).

Anyway, he's a tard for not following FFXIV's development? According to your post he says it's "beyond me". That another way of saying "I don't know". He sounds ignorant because he's stating he's ignorant. I've seen the word "western" (though it may have been in the same post) too many times in this thread. Is releasing and charging $50 for a game that typically described as "unfinished" and sending the game back into beta testing for a year for the game to still be unfinished an eastern development concept? The game should have reached stability after the beta ended. It's a year later. After paying $50, it's fair for people to expect a finished game when the game released rather than in an uncertain future.

Over dramatic, if you hate the UI, you hate the UI. Personally I thought it was a good mix between the current UI's of lame mmos, and XI's UI which I love, but see how opinion is in my statement? Yeah liking or not liking a UI isn't a matter of "i hate this UI and so does everyone else", that guy hates the UI, he probably likes the Western Wow clone UI model, some of us hate it (wow didn't invent it but it is most notable)

I agree with this mostly. I don't agree with "he probably likes the Western Wow clone UI model, some of us hate it (wow didn't invent it but it is most notable)". I really don't like when people say "He doesn't like X because (I think) he like Y". Y=popular alternative that the speaking dislikes . It's a pretty bad ad hominem. You are right though. He should have stated whats wrong with the UI instead of simply calling it trash. As previously stated (albeit unclearly), I also enjoy FFXIV's (and ffxi's) UI and detest WoW's UI.

Again just pure opinion, not even trying to give and unbiased view. Some people who didn't grow up playing WoW and more modern mmos wanted the combat to slow down, if you didn't like that they made it slower this game is not for you. This guy assumes there's a standard of mmos, not that there are multiple genres in mmos, and that he's not the guy for this one.

While the combat is slow. Regardless, of course it's his opinion. He's a review writing his impressions. It's his job to state his opinion.

Here you go with "western" again. Was FFXI your first mmorpg? Most mmorpg's both older and newer than FFXI have much faster combat systems.
Here's a youtube video of a korean game that was released a year before FFXI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRWYb9gc8tg

The combat is actually slower now.

Games don't have to be accessible to people, devs have the right to develop a game however they want and take a risk on sells.

You are 70% right. Developers don't have to make games accessible if they don't want to so long as they are their own publisher. They just need to be cool with losing money because nobody who isn't a masochist is going to pay money for it. You don't have make a game inaccessible to be difficulty. Only crappy games do that. Ninja Gaiden on xbox was a fairly difficult game that didn't tie your hands behind your back (though it did put an eye patch on you in the way of a crappy camera). Contra on the nes is another one.

Originally Posted by ddc

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I agree'd with most of you said, I know I didn't use quote's I'm usually posting between classes so excuse the grammar, when it comes to papers and such I'll be typically more nazi then forums but I understand sometimes connotation is lost due to grammar. And also due to trying to get all my thoughts out right away, i get all scattered and my concepts are sort of lost. But who writes a rough draft for a forum post? Not us right? haha just ninja edit. So lets hope I didn't get my concept too effed in the b, I don't mean to offend people in it, if you're offended I'm sorry, I really tried, I might just be offensive :/

When I say Western I mean, the people more so and not the Developers. WoW isn't the first mmo, and even FFXI ripped off a lot about EQ, but in the long run you tell someone "i play mmos" and they say "oh so you play WoW *eyeroll*" so it just has that notability, so to speak. But the Western audience does want more now, and the dev team now can't give it to them. Is it right they can't give it to us? imo, no its not right. But you deal with it or you don't. FFXIV imo should of been pushed back a year or so or even more. Patch 1.19 kind of proved that if FFXIV had another year pre release it would of been better than at release. I played at CE and i've taken long breaks from this game due to problems with the game and school, but I come back to keep checking up on it. When I say Western, I mean the audience of mmo hoppers we typically hear about from the media (gamer media lets not go crazy here and think like cnn and the other fear mongerers, I'm just talking about mmo websites their commenters, and mmo forums), I just don't think these people should be captured nor should people try. I know South Korean mmos are fast, but I typically steer clear of those games due to hating dodging while playing and such (i'm motion sick, nothing really against the genre, being motion sick does limit you sometimes to slow paced rpgs, so I'll admit I'm biased.) You know, well you don't know, but I don't really mean to put lables on anyone, when I come to think about it there's probably JPs rallying for a faster battle system too or trying to level up faster or acting in other ways people lable as "western gaming", which is hilarious since no one rmts like china!. I just mean I guess, god what do I call them without being mean , like I want to say spammer people but they aren't spammers really, thats just rude of me, they're just people who want stuff now or yesterday, and feel like FFXIV took too much time to get to a point where it was playable, well yeah we probably should of had this yesterday, and it probably shouldn't of taken as long, but how can anyone know unless they are a dev?

I'm actually tired of overly judgemental reviews in general, its not just on FFXIV. I've been known to hate on XIV in moments of frustration. [we can be judgmental on the forums that's not our job get it?] Its also not mmorpg.com. It just seems if you read the comments the people on there are total mouth breathers, and they need to suit the need of those people (actually whoever wrote the XIV article is exempt, it was written well, and it didn't contain complete lies about the game like I see with other XIV articles, some on mmorpg.com). There people who say "XIV IS DUMB GAY STUPID...uh...they should scrap it" but run to SWTOR and say "omg so original looking *fap*" (when that game, I know WoW clone is used a lot, but that is just a WoW clone with a star wars skin and that bummed me out, no amount of bioward morality choices will save it for me at least ), so I just feel like the review XIV fans want (good and bad) would never come from the mainstream websites who have to appease the masses of god what are they playing, honestly, whatever crap it is. I've tried many mmos f2p, p2p, over the last 5 years. I'm only 21 so no I didn't play EQ, or those old timey mmos on AOL, i was going to school....elementary and junior high lol... and for a lot of people on the forum FFXI was their first mmo. Not for all, but for a lot. FFXI to me did a perfect job of representing the older FF rpgs in an mmo universe. I think that's all some people want. Battle speed and crap like that should all reflect that FF feeling and not the standards of mmos out now adays.

tldr; who cares, difference of opinion, blah blah blah basically? All "yous" in post really don't refer to the person I'm quoting, they're plural yous talking to general populations ^^

The game is still bad, don't let fanboi glasses cloud your sight. The UI needs to be scrapped, Linkshells need options, the market wards... oh boy.

BUT the game sure as hell is better than it was a year ago.

Leaves out a lot of important stuff, ignores the complete redirection as of January and the earthquake month by pointing out the fact that certain problems still exist after a year when under these circumstances it's more like 8-9 months, complaints about issues that are confirmed being worked on, and generally littered with non objective conjecture and ignorance.

But it does provide the perspective of someone who doesn't follow the game very well. So there's that.

open the link
hit ctrl+f

type "materia" > enter. did not find the word on the article
type "exp chain" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "mob link" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "crafting" > enter. did not find the word on the article
type "grand company" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "ifrit" > enter. did not find the word on the article

so much for "patch 1.19 IMPRESSION"

Originally Posted by Aion

open the link
hit ctrl+f

type "materia" > enter. did not find the word on the article
type "exp chain" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "mob link" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "crafting" > enter. did not find the word on the article
type "grand company" > enter. did not find the words on the article
type "ifrit" > enter. did not find the word on the article

so much for "patch 1.19 IMPRESSION"

"Grand Companies" and "Ifrit" are in the article though. just saying.

Originally Posted by Xmbei

"Grand Companies" and "Ifrit" are in the article though. just saying.

I type grand company, not companies lol... yeah ifrit in the article,my mistake, but they didnt describe the encounter itself.. point is, how can you said impression,when you definitely dont experience the thing?

analogy
A : My impression of the new car is: it is fast and comfortable but the fuel wont last long..
B: So you already ride it?
A: no, but thats what the brochure said and other people saying..


/facepalm

Originally Posted by Aion

I type grand company, not companies lol... yeah ifrit in the article,my mistake, but they didnt describe the encounter itself.. point is, how can you said impression,when you definitely dont experience the thing?

analogy
A : My impression of the new car is: it is fast and comfortable but the fuel wont last long..
B: So you already ride it?
A: no, but thats what the brochure said and other people saying..


/facepalm

I doubt many reviewers will have much end game experience in FFXIV. That is something SE is going to have figure out a way to overcome before PS3 release because times are hard and I doubt to many people will commit $50+ up front and 13+ per month to the game without doing any research on it. If it was a brand new title maybe but by the time its released on PS3 it will most likely be atleast a year and a half old game.