Thread: 3.1 First update without a new primal?

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...

Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

Originally Posted by Nalien

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

Quality is subjective. The prices of housing were high, but there was no demand problem. People got over the housing prices after they were adjusted. The supply problme of housing was not an issue throughout 2.1. Wolves den, like blazer said:

No matter how WD worked out, it introduced PVP to the game. That alone meant they had to add new mechanics, along with other changes (new skills, leveling system, gear, areas, skill changes) JUST for the pvp they introduced. It was a BIG change in a patch that included multiple BIG changes.

So, I won't belabor that point much further. WD added a lot to the game, it was a major amount of content.

Lord of verminion has a very high chance of ending up just like the rest of the gold saucer attractions: minigames no one cares about after having X amount of MPG. Every instance, dungeon, and encounter comes with a "new zone," so that point seems equally moot, especially since the zone is just more of the same assets we have already seen. Also, spare me this point of taking one of the biggest features of 3.1 and comparing it to the smallest feature of 2.1.

3.1 has less trials
3.1 has less dunegons
3.1 has less misc. content

you don't even need to drag pvp or housing into this to still prove my point. You're simply wrong and at this point you are just white knighting 3.1 and saying it will be of a level of quality we have never seen before. Pull your head out of the sand 3.1 is going to be CT reborn, instanced hunts, irrelevant gold saucer content, and go kill bis ex 500 times for a 210 weapon. Its going to be more of the same exact content we have seen, except this time, we had to wait an abnormally long amount of time for less content than what 2.1 brought to the table.

Originally Posted by zosia

You're simply wrong and at this point you are just white knighting 3.1 and saying it will be of a level of quality we have never seen before. Pull your head out of the sand 3.1 is going to be CT reborn, instanced hunts, irrelevant gold saucer content, and go kill bis ex 500 times for a 210 weapon. Its going to be more of the same exact content we have seen, except this time, we had to wait an abnormally long amount of time for less content than what 2.1 brought to the table.

You seem incredibly unhappy with the game and have already presupposed the next upcoming patch is garbage, why are you here again exactly? I'm dead serious about that, for all your claims of white knighting you would be the black knight in this scenario, spreading doom and gloom to the forums without any actual knowledge of what the next patch will contain or how it will play out other than the same tidbits we've been given.

I'll admit the game has flaws, all MMO's do. But I guess you expect the moon to be provided to every single patch from mere human developers. If people out there hate the game they should move on, if you are interested in improving it try realistic constructive criticism and present viable solutions you think might actually work.

Originally Posted by Nalien

Again, this is about quality verses quantity...

Yes 2.1 added Wolves' Den, but it was of such utterly terrible quality that they might as well have held it back until they realized how terrible Morale was. Yes 2.1 added Housing, but its introduction was meant with much rage, rather than fanfare, off the prices alone, never mind the obvious supply/demand issue that is still a problem.

2.1 had quantity, I've never denied that, but what it lacked for a fair few of its pieces of content, was quality. So far, based off 2.0~2.55, I have no reason to doubt the quality of most of 3.1 content. Lord of Verminion alone seems more enjoyable than anything 2.1 offered, and Sky Exploration certainly has some potential. I mean really, 3.1 is adding an entire new zone with Sky Exploration, would you really quantify that in the same level as the Aesthetician?

You keep saying quality > quantity, but how do you know the way things will turn out? You can hope it'll be better, but that's ultimately up to each players opinion. I would actually hope the quality would be better considering how much longer this content cycle is.Everyone was extremely excited for WD and Housing, much more so than what they're adding in this update. It's pretty unfair to you to come out and say those additions to the game weren't actually "quality". How many FC's worked together to get the gil for houses @2.1? How many FC's based events at their house? How many crafters were more involved in the game to make furniture items? I don't think you really understand the impact of something of that magnitude. You may cry foul over people initially being angry at prices. I see it as one of the few things in the game that built a community.

As far as WD goes, it was/is still unbalanced and sort of a mess. But it was the foundation that brought us frontlines. It gave players a completely optional side point in this game (which it needed very much). If you don't like it, then sorry, it's not for you. I think most players knew that this is a PVE game. Everyone knew WD would only appeal to a very small player %. It gave players something to grind. Ranking up in pvp is one of the very few time consuming achievements. You acknowledge the fact that these were added, but I think you fail to look at the big picture (or don't remember) of what these meant to the game, and how desired these features were at the time.