Thread: 3.1 First update without a new primal?

Originally Posted by zosia

wolves den was fun content when it was first released. Just because you don't like pvp doesn't mean other people didn't.

1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone a week later and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

Originally Posted by zosia

It was off the top of my head, so of course I forgot stuff. Nice try at being snide tho. The Amalj'aa and Sylph were two beats tribes, we are only getting one in 3.1. Why didn't we get the gnath too?

Well, I wasn't trying to be snide, but your attitude is certainly appreciated, I was merely pointing out content you'd missed off (for 2.1 as well) to clarify the list... As for Gnath Dailies... I'd say we're getting Vanu Vanu and Saint Endalim Scholasticate as a fair trade off...

Like I said though, quantity =/= quality, something like Sky Exploration is arguably worth far more than stuff like Treasure Maps and the Aesthetician, and it's certainly something everyone can do, where as only 1% of the population ever had a chance of owning a House.

Originally Posted by Nalien

1) I PvP more than anything else in this game.

2) Wolves' Den was horrendous when it was first launched. When it was first launched;

AP was used to unlock PvP Actions, meaning you had none at the start.
PvP EXP was rewarded in very small amounts, and you required a lot of it to get anywhere.
You weren't matched up with equal Ranks, so a Rank 30 with full PvP gear and useful PvP Actions could go up against a party of novices.
Morale was just hideously overpowered, complicating the above point.

It was basically fun until the win traders ruined it for everyone and basically killed the queues to this day, there's a reason 3.2 is required to fix the place...

1) I don't care if you PvP now

2) It turned out bad, but when it was first launched it was very fun. You're using the aftermath of 2.1 wolves den to justify it as it being non-noteworthy content to include in this comparison. That is a bad justification.

It was still content that SE released in 2.1. Just admit it, SE has had more time with 3.1 and it's coming with less content than 2.1 had. The facts are not on your side.